FIA Thread

[Tiny73]

If you got a 8tenths to a second advantage for spending a million quid, or 1.6million, whatever it was, in a totally different era of regulations....you would have all the teams doing the same.

You’re missing the point chrisc90, what’s the point of rules if everyone breaks them? Irregardless of the amount 9/10 teams managed to stay within the rules, the team that didn’t has an significant advantage.

Overspend then. Simple as that. Throw 2million at your problems and take the 'small hit' in wind tunnel and CFD time. As I said in the cost cap 2021 thread....theres a rule there and the penalty attached to it....Its the team decision whether to overspend a bit and accept the penalty for doing so. Does it give you an advantage? Is it worth the consequences?

Theres a rule about the maximum number of components you can use in a season, once again theres penalties attached to going over the limit. Is it worth running a engine a bit harder and taking a 10 place penalty followed by 5 places the next time you use another engine? Sure worked well for Mercedes in 2021 didnt it.

Bit off topic for this thread though.

You’re conflating the issue to excuse RB breaking the rules. Taking an engine penalty is within the rules, you take up to 3 (4 now) per season or you take a penalty, that’s written within the rules (including the penalty). Breaking the cost cap was not foreseen by the rules in the same way as everyone believed that teams would not do this, it’s an entirely different thing to taking an extra engine.

It’s conjecture but I guarantee you that if everyone did what RB did, Horner would be screaming for punitive penalties to every media outlet and playing the victim. Cheaty car and cheaty team have secured a massive advantage, whether it’s £1.6m or £400k it was outside of the rules. You’re just trying to absolve cheaty team by suggesting everyone should do it. 2 wrongs don’t make a right, but you know this.

[vorticism]

We are now at that point where cheating is being proposed to close the gap.

If that's the case Honda RBPT should consider oil burning. Worked for Merc and Ferrari. Seriously though,it's nothing new. Cost-benefit analysis of penalties as chrisc90 stated. The PU components game being one example that everyone's played.

[langedweil]

You’re missing the point chrisc90, what’s the point of rules if everyone breaks them? Irregardless of the amount 9/10 teams managed to stay within the rules, the team that didn’t has an significant advantage.

Overspend then. Simple as that. Throw 2million at your problems and take the 'small hit' in wind tunnel and CFD time. As I said in the cost cap 2021 thread....theres a rule there and the penalty attached to it....Its the team decision whether to overspend a bit and accept the penalty for doing so. Does it give you an advantage? Is it worth the consequences?

Theres a rule about the maximum number of components you can use in a season, once again theres penalties attached to going over the limit. Is it worth running a engine a bit harder and taking a 10 place penalty followed by 5 places the next time you use another engine? Sure worked well for Mercedes in 2021 didnt it.

Bit off topic for this thread though.

You’re conflating the issue to excuse RB breaking the rules. Taking an engine penalty is within the rules, you take up to 3 (4 now) per season or you take a penalty, that’s written within the rules (including the penalty). Breaking the cost cap was not foreseen by the rules in the same way as everyone believed that teams would not do this, it’s an entirely different thing to taking an extra engine.

It’s conjecture but I guarantee you that if everyone did what RB did, Horner would be screaming for punitive penalties to every media outlet and playing the victim. Cheaty car and cheaty team have secured a massive advantage, whether it’s £1.6m or £400k it was outside of the rules. You’re just trying to absolve cheaty team by suggesting everyone should do it. 2 wrongs don’t make a right, but you know this.

But but but .. the rules said there would be punishment by breaking the CC, and punishment was dealt after it happened ?
Imho to any clear mind that's just the exactly same thing as going over the max amount of PU's, CE's, turbo's, gearboxes etc.
One might not agree with the harshness of the punishment, but that's just emotion.

[InsaneX_Badger]

Think people just need to stop coming up with reasons that have no merit for EVERY other team failing to come even close to RB.

[Juzh]

Im wondering how long people are still gonna atribute every RB's success down to those 400k from 2021 lol

[Aesop]

400k spent on lunch for employees not involved in cardevelopment.

[LM10]

Im wondering how long people are still gonna atribute every RB's success down to those 400k from 2021 lol

2.1 million dollars, to be precise. 400k would have been the amount if they had claimed tax credit.

Not sure how much of an effect this had on RB18's and furthermore on RB19's development, but it surely helped them a lot winning the title in 2021. I think I'm not going out on a limb by saying that they would have not won the title in 2021 without cheating the budget cap - considering how it literally was decided on the last lap of the season.

[LM10]

400k spent on lunch for employees not involved in cardevelopment.

[dans79]

Im wondering how long people are still gonna atribute every RB's success down to those 400k from 2021 lol

Forever, simply because they know it annoys the crap out of a certain subset of the f1 fan base. It's the same reason why AD 21 is never going to go away!

[Juzh]

Im wondering how long people are still gonna atribute every RB's success down to those 400k from 2021 lol

Forever, simply because they know it annoys the crap out of a certain subset of the f1 fan base. It's the same reason why AD 21 is never going to go away!

I'm willing to bet hamilton fans are far more annoyed at him not winning wdc that year than any RB fan will ever be, and they're suffering from ptsd to this day it seems , meanwhile RB and Ver will be racking up them wins and titles for the foreseeable future

edit. you're also admitting in this post they're doing it purely out of spite, since every rational person knows 400k from those days couldn't possible have an influence so far down the road. very balanced individuals in my opinion

[JordanMugen]

Think people just need to stop coming up with reasons that have no merit for EVERY other team failing to come even close to RB.

Strangely, the simplest explanation: that previous closest challengers Scuderia Ferrari and Mercedes GP have shown very little improvement from 2022 to 2023, while Red Bull have shown some improvement (not even that much compared to midpack teams) is dismissed for some reason?

[langedweil]

Im wondering how long people are still gonna atribute every RB's success down to those 400k from 2021 lol

Indeed .. it's a sign of the times I guess, where only personal views can be considered the correct one, mostly by messing up definitions and downplaying reputations.

[PlatinumZealot]

In my eyes FIA helped RedBull in 2020, 2021 and 2022. I reckon they will continue to do so until Max has 105 wins and 8wdc.

[mendis]

Im wondering how long people are still gonna atribute every RB's success down to those 400k from 2021 lol

Forever, simply because they know it annoys the crap out of a certain subset of the f1 fan base. It's the same reason why AD 21 is never going to go away!

For as long as the mediocre work of other teams continue and they remain clueless. Corrected that.

[dialtone]

Im wondering how long people are still gonna atribute every RB's success down to those 400k from 2021 lol

Forever, simply because they know it annoys the crap out of a certain subset of the f1 fan base. It's the same reason why AD 21 is never going to go away!

For as long as the mediocre work of other teams continue and they remain clueless. Corrected that.

Lol such bs... As if the other engine constructors didn't have allowances for RBR to build their engine for 2026 despite already being a great engine and having acquired personnel from other teams, all because RBR went crying to FOM/FIA that they needed to start from scratch and would have quit the sport (same threat for which Ferrari is typically clowned).

Or as if FIA didn't mess with dominant teams in the past, like both Ferrari and Mercedes and RBR itself. Tell me, did RBR protest the DAS or was their attitude that Mercedes had a great idea and they were going to work hard to match it with something better?

People will ride RBR cheating the same number of years that they do for other teams cheating, and if you don't like it you better drink some camomille to endure it.