A F1 driver thread to rule them all

[strad]

if the 2010-2017 point scoring system had been effective at that time.

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IF a frog had wings....

[PlatinumZealot]

I find relative driver speed more interesting. There is a guy who calculates this and his results are very interesting. You would be surprised to see how fast.. Or slow some drivers really are..

[skoop]

I find relative driver speed more interesting. There is a guy who calculates this and his results are very interesting. You would be surprised to see how fast.. Or slow some drivers really are..

Would you share the results with us?

[PlatinumZealot]

He is on reddit. I will have to find his post. Basically he uses qualifying stats and "keystone drivers" to search for consisitencies. He finds the consistencies than apply it to connected drivers
Fatest at top

lewis
alonso = Nico ~ 1 to 2 tenths behind
Max and Daniel? 1.5 tenths to 2.5
Jenson = Vettel = Bottas? 2 tenths to 3 tenths...
Something like that.. Hope i can find his analysis. It does make sense somewhat.

[NathanOlder]

He is on reddit. I will have to find his post. Basically he uses qualifying stats and "keystone drivers" to search for consisitencies. He finds the consistencies than apply it to connected drivers
Fatest at top

lewis
alonso = Nico ~ 1 to 2 tenths behind
Max and Daniel? 1.5 tenths to 2.5
Jenson = Vettel = Bottas? 2 tenths to 3 tenths...
Something like that.. Hope i can find his analysis. It does make sense somewhat.

Any luck with a link to that guys work ?

[3jawchuck]

He is on reddit. I will have to find his post. Basically he uses qualifying stats and "keystone drivers" to search for consisitencies. He finds the consistencies than apply it to connected drivers
Fatest at top

lewis
alonso = Nico ~ 1 to 2 tenths behind
Max and Daniel? 1.5 tenths to 2.5
Jenson = Vettel = Bottas? 2 tenths to 3 tenths...
Something like that.. Hope i can find his analysis. It does make sense somewhat.

Does he make comparisons between drivers in the same machinery and relate them all through these teammate links?
And yeah, any luck on the link, do you remember the sub? Was it f1statistics?

[PlatinumZealot]

The google search was very difficult. I am on track to finding that user's analysis but not quite there yet. So here is some other meat to chew on in the meantime. This was another comparison i viewed. It is from another user, "whatthefat." He has visited f1technical before. The raw qualifying info is here. We can ask him to do the cross comparison for us if anything. Trust me on this, this guy is the king of statistical analysis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... g_records/

[3jawchuck]

The google search was very difficult. I am on track to finding that user's analysis but not quite there yet. So here is some other meat to chew on in the meantime. This was another comparison i viewed. It is from another user, "whatthefat." He has visited f1technical before. The raw qualifying info is here. We can ask him to do the cross comparison for us if anything. Trust me on this, this guy is the king of statistical analysis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... g_records/

https://imgur.com/bAXoKiq.jpg

This user is the guy behind https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/

[henry]

Go Trulli

[mendis]

Brought it here aus to not pollute the team thread. Not sure if this was ideal, but this was the only driver comparison thread i found in search.

Problem with Max is that he's just like Vettel in 2013 at this point. He hasn't faced a serious rival in the same car to really know how good he is. Sadly Christian would never pair him with Lando or LeClerc.

What fight did Lewis have in his winning years, with those dominant cars? I am really curious.

Agree. Needs a direct teammate battle. Hamilton matched Alonso in his debut season, Hamilton v Rosberg twice went to AD. He had the battle with Vettel throughout the 2017 season. Three world champions.

Premature to put him amongst the greatest, as Max lucked out in, 21’, when he looked beaten by Hamilton, and then he’s beaten a pretty poor Perez. Not even comparable.

Hamilton matched a compromised Alonso, where entire McLaren was against him. Nothing went to AD in 2014. It was the reliability problems and the farsical double points in AD that made it look like that. Rosberg was just another poor driver. Lewis lost 2016 because of his own mistakes with poor starts and as a result he got screwed multiple times in the midfield. 2017 he won thanks to Vettel f**** up the season with his driver errors and Ferrari's usual gaffes.

If not for Silverstone take out and a Baku blow out, Lewis wouldn't even be a contender in 2021. He was beaten convincingly in AD21.

[CMSMJ1]

The thread is not about Hamilton.

Leave it out please

[Just_a_fan]

He was beaten convincingly in AD21.

Er, this is not "beaten convincingly" at all. It's beating your rival convincingly until the race director acts incorrectly and gifts your rival the result.

[mcdenife]

He was beaten convincingly in AD21.

Er, this is not "beaten convincingly" at all. It's beating your rival convincingly until the race director acts incorrectly and gifts your rival the result.

https://ibb.co/pPyQ0Tb

Sigh!! Why oh why do you allow yourself to be baited into a response? Just when we were breathing a sign of relief that the forum idiots have been moved on so we can all get back to enjoying meaningful debates, discussions etc, this response will simply drag the forum back into the gutter.

[Just_a_fan]

He was beaten convincingly in AD21.

Er, this is not "beaten convincingly" at all. It's beating your rival convincingly until the race director acts incorrectly and gifts your rival the result.

https://ibb.co/pPyQ0Tb

Sigh!! Why oh why do you allow yourself to be baited into a response? Just when we were breathing a sign of relief that the forum idiots have been moved on so we can all get back to enjoying meaningful debates, discussions etc, this response will simply drag the forum back into the gutter.

The alternative is to allow false narratives to be promulgated. "Fake news" in modern parlance.

This is a technical forum - the stuff posted here ought to be correct, oughtn't it?

[mendis]

Er, this is not "beaten convincingly" at all. It's beating your rival convincingly until the race director acts incorrectly and gifts your rival the result.

https://ibb.co/pPyQ0Tb

Sigh!! Why oh why do you allow yourself to be baited into a response? Just when we were breathing a sign of relief that the forum idiots have been moved on so we can all get back to enjoying meaningful debates, discussions etc, this response will simply drag the forum back into the gutter.

The alternative is to allow false narratives to be promulgated. "Fake news" in modern parlance.

This is a technical forum - the stuff posted here ought to be correct, oughtn't it?

In other words....