Aston Martin AMR23

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carisi2k wrote:
26 May 2023, 08:18
organic wrote:
25 May 2023, 18:33
https://i.imgur.com/8FmwMXb.jpeg

There is some tricky geometry/discontinuity going on with their flap's joint with the rest of the wing. Hard to say exactly what they're doing
This is the sort of thing that needs to be banned because it goes against the purpose of the new regs and creates the dirty air the new regs were meant to remove.
This is the sort of thing that keeps several of us interested in F1 at all, however.

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organic wrote:
25 May 2023, 18:33
https://i.imgur.com/8FmwMXb.jpeg

There is some tricky geometry/discontinuity going on with their flap's joint with the rest of the wing. Hard to say exactly what they're doing
That lateral flow is likely the purpose of this detail.
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Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2023, 15:14
Excellent visualisation of strong lateral flow at flap tips.
Is it even reaching the backside of the upper flap? Or is there just a protective laminar flow from the slot-gap that pushes the flowvis into the rooster tail without touching?🤔

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Zynerji wrote:
26 May 2023, 15:27
Is it even reaching the backside of the upper flap? Or is there just a protective laminar flow from the slot-gap that pushes the flowvis into the rooster tail without touching?🤔
The very top of the flap tips is basically stalled, but in this case it most likely means the wing is working at the very maximum of its potential. E.g. they could cut it out to reduce drag, but this would likely hurt the tip vortices and reduce downforce.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2023, 16:23
Zynerji wrote:
26 May 2023, 15:27
Is it even reaching the backside of the upper flap? Or is there just a protective laminar flow from the slot-gap that pushes the flowvis into the rooster tail without touching?🤔
The very top of the flap tips is basically stalled, but in this case it most likely means the wing is working at the very maximum of its potential. E.g. they could cut it out to reduce drag, but this would likely hurt the tip vortices and reduce downforce.
Could the stalling effect work like the F-duct?!?! :o

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Zynerji wrote:
26 May 2023, 16:47
Could the stalling effect work like the F-duct?!?! :o
With flap down, not really, it's likely a permanent separation bubble. With flap up, it could essentially stall the whole flap tip and reduce drag vs flap down flow. However, I expect this is the same for any wing design now that we have this transition bend between wing and endplate.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
26 May 2023, 16:54
Zynerji wrote:
26 May 2023, 16:47
Could the stalling effect work like the F-duct?!?! :o
With flap down, not really, it's likely a permanent separation bubble. With flap up, it could essentially stall the whole flap tip and reduce drag vs flap down flow. However, I expect this is the same for any wing design now that we have this transition bend between wing and endplate.
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Tweet without any technical value, but nice view of the slides.


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No view from below yet?

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KimiRai wrote:
27 May 2023, 23:18
No view from below yet?
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BassVirolla wrote:
27 May 2023, 14:32
Tweet without any technical value, but nice view of the slides.

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AR3-GP wrote:
26 May 2023, 15:23
organic wrote:
25 May 2023, 18:33
https://i.imgur.com/8FmwMXb.jpeg

There is some tricky geometry/discontinuity going on with their flap's joint with the rest of the wing. Hard to say exactly what they're doing
That lateral flow is likely the purpose of this detail.
Except it is coming at the expense of what these new rules were made to achieve. The goal was to get rid of dirty air and these things create the dirty air and so they should be eliminated so as to achieve the goal of reduced dirty air.

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carisi2k wrote:
29 May 2023, 04:00
AR3-GP wrote:
26 May 2023, 15:23
organic wrote:
25 May 2023, 18:33
https://i.imgur.com/8FmwMXb.jpeg

There is some tricky geometry/discontinuity going on with their flap's joint with the rest of the wing. Hard to say exactly what they're doing
That lateral flow is likely the purpose of this detail.
Except it is coming at the expense of what these new rules were made to achieve. The goal was to get rid of dirty air and these things create the dirty air and so they should be eliminated so as to achieve the goal of reduced dirty air.
Not sure about that. From the pic posted from Citrix... looks like they're trying keep the air flow from the point of the upper rear wing?

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