it means nothing, what they gonna do? kick out stroll?
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it means nothing, what they gonna do? kick out stroll?
You mean where the car only turned properly in one direction in qualifying? He started from the pits and even there he was second out of two. What were you watching? How is a hobbled car Leclerc performance?Andres125sx wrote: ↑12 Jun 2023, 07:53I find it curious that on june 12th we´re talking about Sainz mistake more than two months ago (april 2nd), instead of Lecrerc poor perfomance on last race, when he was out of the points on merit, no accidents, no penalties, just poor perfomance
Or about Ferrari upgrades for last GP wich didn´t work at all
Using Sainz as a scapegoat?
I agree. Though the lack of penalty for Sargeant and Gasly is still atrocious. Rules only apply at the front?Vanja #66 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2023, 16:43I think the key thing is that Sainz didn't really think about the consequences of braking so late and potentially taking someone out like that with 2-3 laps to go. 5s penalty was always coming and that's a one-way ticket to the bottom of the grid. You don't do that unless it's a last-race-last-lap move for Championship.mzso wrote: ↑11 Jun 2023, 15:59You still use "effectively disqualifying", which is still nonsense, because he wasn't he just didn't score points. As is "race which is not part of the race", or "didn't count". It did count. See Alpine Alpha Tauri and Williams.
As for starting in the same order, it was really the only option because the crash happened within 2 turns. There was no recorded running order because they didn't reach the end of the sector.
Or, simply, Lawrence Stroll will not keep Alonso forever as i) Alonso might want to stop F1 one day ii) for me he's way past his prime even if Stroll makes him looks really good ; with Charles in this car and this strong project it can be like when Hamilton replaced Schumacher at Mercedes imo
The rear of Leclerc's car was replaced for the race no? Truth is there are no excuses for his poor performance on Sunday, he failed to get in the points in a car that was 3rd fastest on the day.mzso wrote: ↑12 Jun 2023, 15:36You mean where the car only turned properly in one direction in qualifying? He started from the pits and even there he was second out of two. What were you watching? How is a hobbled car Leclerc performance?Andres125sx wrote: ↑12 Jun 2023, 07:53I find it curious that on june 12th we´re talking about Sainz mistake more than two months ago (april 2nd), instead of Lecrerc poor perfomance on last race, when he was out of the points on merit, no accidents, no penalties, just poor perfomance
Or about Ferrari upgrades for last GP wich didn´t work at all
Using Sainz as a scapegoat?
We were talking about the upgrades, just a few comments earlier...
OK, I'll bite...
That’s an inaccurate description of events. Leclerc had a mechanical issue during qualifying and started from the pit lane as a result.Andres125sx wrote: ↑12 Jun 2023, 07:53I find it curious that on june 12th we´re talking about Sainz mistake more than two months ago (april 2nd), instead of Lecrerc poor perfomance on last race, when he was out of the points on merit, no accidents, no penalties, just poor perfomance
Or about Ferrari upgrades for last GP wich didn´t work at all
Using Sainz as a scapegoat?
Shal_Leg16 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 04:063rd FastestAlex_Z wrote: ↑12 Jun 2023, 17:39The rear of Leclerc's car was replaced for the race no? Truth is there are no excuses for his poor performance on Sunday, he failed to get in the points in a car that was 3rd fastest on the day.mzso wrote: ↑12 Jun 2023, 15:36
You mean where the car only turned properly in one direction in qualifying? He started from the pits and even there he was second out of two. What were you watching? How is a hobbled car Leclerc performance?
We were talking about the upgrades, just a few comments earlier...?
if he had done something wrong a mistake or something then one can say he performed badly but that car was struggling to keep-up with Alpine and Alfa Romeo. In some precious race he was struggling to pass a fooking Hass. What can he do ? How can that conclude to him “ Failing “ to get in points that too starting from Pit?
Also you did admit that the rear was replaced which is proof enough that car had issues but still you end it with “ he failed ..” Great.
Alex_Z wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 16:57Shal_Leg16 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 04:063rd Fastest
if he had done something wrong a mistake or something then one can say he performed badly but that car was struggling to keep-up with Alpine and Alfa Romeo. In some precious race he was struggling to pass a fooking Hass. What can he do ? How can that conclude to him “ Failing “ to get in points that too starting from Pit?
Also you did admit that the rear was replaced which is proof enough that car had issues but still you end it with “ he failed ..” Great.
Sainz finished 5th and nearly 20 seconds ahead of the Aston Martins, so yes they were comfortably 3rd fastest. Charles struggled to get past AR and Alpine because he couldn't get the best out of the car on Sunday. Also the rear was replaced BEFORE the race not after - Charles mentioned nothing regarding the handling issues he suffered in qualifying in the post race media duties.
Just face it Charles had a really poor race, there isn't a single excuse for him not making it to 10th place at the very least - even help from Tsunoda's 5s penalty wasn't enough for the points. His worse performance for Ferrari to date.
Umm. Yeah.