2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[mzso]

I find it curious that on june 12th we´re talking about Sainz mistake more than two months ago (april 2nd), instead of Lecrerc poor perfomance on last race, when he was out of the points on merit, no accidents, no penalties, just poor perfomance

Or about Ferrari upgrades for last GP wich didn´t work at all


Using Sainz as a scapegoat?

You mean where the car only turned properly in one direction in qualifying? He started from the pits and even there he was second out of two. What were you watching? How is a hobbled car Leclerc performance?

We were talking about the upgrades, just a few comments earlier...

The rear of Leclerc's car was replaced for the race no? Truth is there are no excuses for his poor performance on Sunday, he failed to get in the points in a car that was 3rd fastest on the day.

You started with one... He started with a half-rebuilt car. Not that it's needed, he started from the pits...
Besides the only thing the Ferrari under Sainz seemed to be good at was falling back. So no car performance either.

[Alex_Z]

3rd Fastest ?

if he had done something wrong a mistake or something then one can say he performed badly but that car was struggling to keep-up with Alpine and Alfa Romeo. In some precious race he was struggling to pass a fooking Hass. What can he do ? How can that conclude to him “ Failing “ to get in points that too starting from Pit?

Also you did admit that the rear was replaced which is proof enough that car had issues but still you end it with “ he failed ..” Great.

Sainz finished 5th and nearly 20 seconds ahead of the Aston Martins, so yes they were comfortably 3rd fastest. Charles struggled to get past AR and Alpine because he couldn't get the best out of the car on Sunday. Also the rear was replaced BEFORE the race not after - Charles mentioned nothing regarding the handling issues he suffered in qualifying in the post race media duties.

Just face it Charles had a really poor race, there isn't a single excuse for him not making it to 10th place at the very least - even help from Tsunoda's 5s penalty wasn't enough for the points. His worse performance for Ferrari to date.

From the drivers to the technicians to the TP to the media to the pandis ….right down to this forum fooking everyone is complaining about ferrari car being inconsistent on sunday and the team its self doesn’t know why this is happening.

But yes “ Leclerc failed to perform “ ok lets agree on this. Chears

They have inconsistency with the tyres sure, it was still the 3rd fastest car with a big gap to AMR. Leclerc was simply slow throughout the race

[catent]

Sainz finished 5th and nearly 20 seconds ahead of the Aston Martins, so yes they were comfortably 3rd fastest. Charles struggled to get past AR and Alpine because he couldn't get the best out of the car on Sunday. Also the rear was replaced BEFORE the race not after - Charles mentioned nothing regarding the handling issues he suffered in qualifying in the post race media duties.

Just face it Charles had a really poor race, there isn't a single excuse for him not making it to 10th place at the very least - even help from Tsunoda's 5s penalty wasn't enough for the points. His worse performance for Ferrari to date.

From the drivers to the technicians to the TP to the media to the pandis ….right down to this forum fooking everyone is complaining about ferrari car being inconsistent on sunday and the team its self doesn’t know why this is happening.

But yes “ Leclerc failed to perform “ ok lets agree on this. Chears

They have inconsistency with the tyres sure, it was still the 3rd fastest car with a big gap to AMR. Leclerc was simply slow throughout the race

He had a particularly rough first stint but was markedly better after the subsequent stops and drove perfectly fine.

I haven’t compared his and Sainz’s respective lap times but I don’t get the impression Sainz was markedly, consistently faster. Had they started in each other’s respective starting positions, I suspect each driver finishes in roughly the same spot as the other did.

I mean, it’s pretty puzzling to call Sainz’s race in Barcelona quality while shitting all over Leclerc. They finished where they did due to starting position, not due to a vast difference in performance on Sunday.

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[catent]

The rear of Leclerc's car was replaced for the race no? Truth is there are no excuses for his poor performance on Sunday, he failed to get in the points in a car that was 3rd fastest on the day.

3rd Fastest ?

if he had done something wrong a mistake or something then one can say he performed badly but that car was struggling to keep-up with Alpine and Alfa Romeo. In some precious race he was struggling to pass a fooking Hass. What can he do ? How can that conclude to him “ Failing “ to get in points that too starting from Pit?

Also you did admit that the rear was replaced which is proof enough that car had issues but still you end it with “ he failed ..” Great.

Sainz finished 5th and nearly 20 seconds ahead of the Aston Martins, so yes they were comfortably 3rd fastest. Charles struggled to get past AR and Alpine because he couldn't get the best out of the car on Sunday. Also the rear was replaced BEFORE the race not after - Charles mentioned nothing regarding the handling issues he suffered in qualifying in the post race media duties.

Just face it Charles had a really poor race, there isn't a single excuse for him not making it to 10th place at the very least - even help from Tsunoda's 5s penalty wasn't enough for the points. His worse performance for Ferrari to date.

There is “not a single excuse” for Leclerc not finishing in the top 10? Really? I mean, this is demonstrably untrue. You may not believe (subjectively, in your own opinion) there’s any good reason for Leclerc finishing where he did but that doesn’t mean the actual circumstances of the weekend aren’t real or didn’t occur.

Starting from the pits (behind another car) is not an explanation? Variation in tire behavior is not an explanation?

There are absolutely explanations if one wishes to critically analyze how the weekend transpired.

[Andres125sx]

Sainz finished 5th and nearly 20 seconds ahead of the Aston Martins, so yes they were comfortably 3rd fastest. Charles struggled to get past AR and Alpine because he couldn't get the best out of the car on Sunday. Also the rear was replaced BEFORE the race not after - Charles mentioned nothing regarding the handling issues he suffered in qualifying in the post race media duties.

Just face it Charles had a really poor race, there isn't a single excuse for him not making it to 10th place at the very least - even help from Tsunoda's 5s penalty wasn't enough for the points. His worse performance for Ferrari to date.

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[Vanja #66]

I love how Charles had a massive lead last year (before the car gave out) and also finished ahead of Sainz by 20s in 2021, but all of a sudden he forgot how to drive on this track, truly amazing

[Spoutnik]

The rear of Leclerc's car was replaced for the race no? Truth is there are no excuses for his poor performance on Sunday, he failed to get in the points in a car that was 3rd fastest on the day.

3rd Fastest ?

if he had done something wrong a mistake or something then one can say he performed badly but that car was struggling to keep-up with Alpine and Alfa Romeo. In some precious race he was struggling to pass a fooking Hass. What can he do ? How can that conclude to him “ Failing “ to get in points that too starting from Pit?

Also you did admit that the rear was replaced which is proof enough that car had issues but still you end it with “ he failed ..” Great.

Sainz finished 5th and nearly 20 seconds ahead of the Aston Martins, so yes they were comfortably 3rd fastest. Charles struggled to get past AR and Alpine because he couldn't get the best out of the car on Sunday. Also the rear was replaced BEFORE the race not after - Charles mentioned nothing regarding the handling issues he suffered in qualifying in the post race media duties.

Just face it Charles had a really poor race, there isn't a single excuse for him not making it to 10th place at the very least - even help from Tsunoda's 5s penalty wasn't enough for the points. His worse performance for Ferrari to date.

Not really here be Charles lawyer.
But for me it was reminiscent of Hamilton's performance last year at Imola. Trapped in DRS train. Merc had a very poor top speed. It's not the case of the Ferrari but, the Ferrari had another big issue to overtake : it's one of the car where the drivers had to lift the most/had the most instability in the last corner. It was visible from the onboard.
It didnt allow Charles to get close enough to be there at the end of the straight.

Sainz drove his race alone and then these issue didnt make him losing race time : like Russell at Imola who drive a race alone in 5th

But overall, Im not even sure on race pace Sainz was so much faster, and would've done so much better starting from so far back.
It was not a good performance from Charles but it has to be tempered.

[Shal_Leg16]

I love how Charles had a massive lead last year (before the car gave out) and also finished ahead of Sainz by 20s in 2021, but all of a sudden he forgot how to drive on this track, truly amazing

Not just that, suddenly he started performing so bad that he couldn’t match the likes of Zhou,Gasly,Ocon,Stroll that too with the so called “ 3rd fastest Car “

[dren]

I'd like to remember that Ferrari is still without an official Technical Director.

Enrico Cardile was appointed as the teams Technical director a couple of months ago.

Officially Enrico Cardile has still the same role as he had when Binotto was both Team Principal and Technical Director, which is "Head of Chassis Area".

Head of Chaos Area.

[jambuka]

Any upgrades for Canada ? Suspension geometry changes ?

[organic]

Canadian GP preview: Aston Martin wants to react after dull test in Spain. Ferrari in Montreal has no technical novelties.
Weather variable that doesn't bode well

Nothing new for Ferrari here.



https://formu1a.uno/anteprima-gp-canada ... -mercedes/

[Xyz22]

Canadian GP preview: Aston Martin wants to react after dull test in Spain. Ferrari in Montreal has no technical novelties.
Weather variable that doesn't bode well

Nothing new for Ferrari here.



https://formu1a.uno/anteprima-gp-canada ... -mercedes/

Thank god. They would make the car even slower.



Btw according to the same article the SF 23 is the 6th car in terms of high speed corners performance lmao

[jambuka]

Canadian GP preview: Aston Martin wants to react after dull test in Spain. Ferrari in Montreal has no technical novelties.
Weather variable that doesn't bode well

Nothing new for Ferrari here.



https://formu1a.uno/anteprima-gp-canada ... -mercedes/

Thank god. They would make the car even slower.



Btw according to the same article the SF 23 is the 6th car in terms of high speed corners performance lmao

2 redbulls, 2 mercedes, 1 AMR. Then 2 Ferrari's. Makes sense its 6 & 7 fastest.

[ing.]

Canadian GP preview: Aston Martin wants to react after dull test in Spain. Ferrari in Montreal has no technical novelties.
Weather variable that doesn't bode well

Nothing new for Ferrari here.

What happened to Vasseur’s promise from just 3 weeks ago of bringing new parts at every race? Did they already change plans again?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/vasse ... /10473602/

“We will bring small update every single race. And I don't want to say that it's Barcelona or nothing. After Barcelona we will have a small update in Montreal, and another one in UK/Austria."

"We are planning today to bring updates every single race until the end of the season."

[Seanspeed]

They have inconsistency with the tyres sure, it was still the 3rd fastest car with a big gap to AMR. Leclerc was simply slow throughout the race

Leclerc also qualified 19th, with his teammate in 2nd. Do you think that was cuz Leclerc just didn't drive well? That he was so awful that day that even in a car that could qualify on the front row, he still was second to last in the entire F1 grid?

Or maybe, there was simply something going on with the car and it wasn't due to poor driving on his part?

Yet you're basically completely ignoring this same possibility for what happened the next day? Yes, he was slow, but was that cuz of poor driving or because maybe they never really figured out what was going on in the first place(or had minimal ability to correct it)?

I know even the best drivers have bad days/weekends, but top drivers do not just sink to such a level even on their bad days. Clearly there was more going on than just Leclerc failing to perform.