2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Charles starts p10 and Carlos p11 then. Good to have both ahead of Perez and may be able to round out a p5/p6 finish in the race if not attack the mercs (should a SC/Red flag happen)

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This team is poisoned to the core. Clearly the environment is beyond saving.

The awful car, the clueless strategies and the driver's mistakes are just the only possible outcome in this situation

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a 3 lap window for the softs, CL made the right call 100%, the issues for Ferrari started when they didn't listen to their driver, whilst GP was constantly asking Max' thoughts on the conditions and what tyre he thinks is best.

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Charles Leclerc paying the price for having Mattia fired.

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FW17 wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 04:36
Charles Leclerc paying the price for having Mattia fired.
Everyone is paying for the mess Binotto assembled, the car is a POS, the technical team look lost, the strategist are mediocre, terrible management and communication. Binotto in 4 years won 7 races, Horner in 5 years had a championship winning team.

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Sevach wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 00:54
Carlos has been penalized, 3 places.
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 04288?s=20
Yet, Tsunoda who was in the way of everyone wasn't. I'm starting to think the stewards are Ferrari ex-strategy team members, who even they let go for under-performing.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 04:34
https://twitter.com/_ProjectF1/status/1 ... 89024?s=20

a 3 lap window for the softs, CL made the right call 100%, the issues for Ferrari started when they didn't listen to their driver, whilst GP was constantly asking Max' thoughts on the conditions and what tyre he thinks is best.
How do you measure qualifying in laps? That's just silly.

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mzso wrote:
Sevach wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 00:54
Carlos has been penalized, 3 places.
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 04288?s=20
Yet, Tsunoda who was in the way of everyone wasn't. I'm starting to think the stewards are Ferrari ex-strategy team members, who even they let go for under-performing.
Wait... They didn't penalize tsunoda? Seriously smh. Sainz was clear but each weekend there's a double standard against Ferrari wtf.

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dialtone wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 10:13
Wait... They didn't penalize tsunoda? Seriously smh. Sainz was clear but each weekend there's a double standard against Ferrari wtf.
At least I thought so. Apparently later he got one as did Stroll. (And motorsport.com didn't bother to update the title and the summary for the article even now...)

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Charles must be totally fed up with the horrible strategy team. I have no words for them denying Charles Softs despite it being a no-brainer after seeing Albon’s performance. But even before that Charles had the right feeling and wanted to change.

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mzso wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 08:56
scuderiabrandon wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 04:34
https://twitter.com/_ProjectF1/status/1 ... 89024?s=20

a 3 lap window for the softs, CL made the right call 100%, the issues for Ferrari started when they didn't listen to their driver, whilst GP was constantly asking Max' thoughts on the conditions and what tyre he thinks is best.
How do you measure qualifying in laps? That's just silly.
What would you like it to be measured in, minutes? Would you rather have it say "Albon pitted at minute x and peaked at minute y and the window was z minutes big???

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mzso wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 11:11
dialtone wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 10:13
Wait... They didn't penalize tsunoda? Seriously smh. Sainz was clear but each weekend there's a double standard against Ferrari wtf.
At least I thought so. Apparently later he got one as did Stroll. (And motorsport.com didn't bother to update the title and the summary for the article even now...)
That was for impeding Hulkenburg

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LM10 wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 11:24
Charles must be totally fed up with the horrible strategy team. I have no words for them denying Charles Softs despite it being a no-brainer after seeing Albon’s performance. But even before that Charles had the right feeling and wanted to change.
It's pointless to blame someone at this point. It's the entire Team. No one, even the best of the best, could perform in such an environment.

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Second Q in a row when the fastest driver don´t make Q3 while the second driver make it

Pointing fingers this time to not switching to softs, previous GP pointing fingers to some mistery car damage wich was never confirmed.

But, didn´t several drivers make Q3 with inters in Q2? Yes, they did, only that Lecrerc lap on inters wasn´t good enough. Even Lecrerc admit this:
Charles Lecrerc wrote:I didn’t do a good job, there were many of us with this plan, and in the end, I didn’t succeed compared to the others
https://scuderiafans.com/charles-lecler ... ne-better/

An earlier switch to softs could have provided more opportunities obviously, the team messed it up in that regard, period. But reality is Russel, Hamilton and Alonso went to Q3 using only inters in Q2, same as Lecrerc, only that they were faster than Lecrerc.

All parts to blame here, strategy team obviously, but also Lecrerc didn´t do it good enough.

Disclaimer: just trying to put some perspective, conditions were extremelly difficult, Ferrari, Aston and Mercedes made all same mistake, RBR did an even more weird mistake when Perez was doing a lap on softs and called him in to switch to inters again :wtf: . This is the reason changing conditions are so funny for viewers, mistakes becomes normal for all teams and results become somehow unpredictable. But in those conditions is when top drivers shine. Look at Alonso Q2 lap on inters, Aston kept him with inters, same as Lecrerc, but contratry to Charles, he nailed the lap and went to Q3

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Andres125sx wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 14:25
Second Q in a row when the fastest driver don´t make Q3 while the second driver make it

Pointing fingers this time to not switching to softs, previous GP pointing fingers to some mistery car damage wich was never confirmed.

But, didn´t several drivers make Q3 with inters in Q2? Yes, they did, only that Lecrerc lap on inters wasn´t good enough. Even Lecrerc admit this:
Charles Lecrerc wrote:I didn’t do a good job, there were many of us with this plan, and in the end, I didn’t succeed compared to the others
https://scuderiafans.com/charles-lecler ... ne-better/

An earlier switch to softs could have provided more opportunities obviously, the team messed it up in that regard, period. But reality is Russel, Hamilton and Alonso went to Q3 using only inters in Q2, same as Lecrerc, only that they were faster than Lecrerc.

All parts to blame here, strategy team obviously, but also Lecrerc didn´t do it good enough.

Disclaimer: just trying to put some perspective, conditions were extremelly difficult, Ferrari, Aston and Mercedes made all same mistake, RBR did an even more weird mistake when Perez was doing a lap on softs and called him in to switch to inters again :wtf: . This is the reason changing conditions are so funny for viewers, mistakes becomes normal for all teams and results become somehow unpredictable. But in those conditions is when top drivers shine. Look at Alonso Q2 lap on inters, Aston kept him with inters, same as Lecrerc, but contratry to Charles, he nailed the lap and went to Q3
I don’t think that there is any doubt about who of these two drivers is the faster one. No one without bias would put Carlos over Charles.