2023 Aston Martin | Aramco | Cognizant F1 Team

[diffuser]

Another article questioning Lance Stroll's role at AMR.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/does-set ... mpossible/

Eventually the noises will be too loud to ignore.

It's just the British press creating pressure because they want someone like Norris in the car. They can absolutely ignore them if they want.

Next race if Lance gets a podium and Fernando does some kind of mistake it'll be all about the resurrection of Stroll and how Fernando is getting older etc etc. That's F1 journalists.

Stroll 2.0?

All you need is 1.5 Billion dollars and you can put anyone you want in that seat.

[InsaneX_Badger]

Think the only way Stroll goes is if the team misses out on a WCC contender year due to having a weak second driver.

[diffuser]

Think the only way Stroll goes is if the team misses out on a WCC contender year due to having a weak second driver.

I agree. To a certain degree, the Lance issue, is almost as much publicity as if he was challenging Alonso in every race.

[KimiRai]

[Just_a_fan]

Another example of why the cost cap is a failure. The idea of the cost cap was to make it possible for less well funded teams to compete with the well funded teams. But the less well funded teams are always going to be hamstrung because they can't develop their infrastructure to compete.

[diffuser]

Another example of why the cost cap is a failure. The idea of the cost cap was to make it possible for less well funded teams to compete with the well funded teams. But the less well funded teams are always going to be hamstrung because they can't develop their infrastructure to compete.

Failure? Really? It's like saying F1 is a failure cause Senna died in a car accident in 1994 at Monza. The cost CAP is a living breathing thing than needs to be tweaked to meet the sports needs. Williams have asked for permission to have their infrastructure spending fall outside the cost CAP. I'm sure it will get accepted.

[Just_a_fan]

Another example of why the cost cap is a failure. The idea of the cost cap was to make it possible for less well funded teams to compete with the well funded teams. But the less well funded teams are always going to be hamstrung because they can't develop their infrastructure to compete.

Failure? Really? It's like saying F1 is a failure cause Senna died in a car accident in 1994 at Monza. The cost CAP is a living breathing thing than needs to be tweaked to meet the sports needs. Williams have asked for permission to have their infrastructure spending fall outside the cost CAP. I'm sure it will get accepted.

It's a failure because it did not recognise this issue from the start. The time taken for the likes of Williams to get permission adds to their performance deficit relative to the rich teams and thus means the rich teams benefit further - in direct opposition to what the cost cap is intended for.

And your analogy is so crass as to not warrant further comment.

[peewon]

Think the only way Stroll goes is if the team misses out on a WCC contender year due to having a weak second driver.

Yeah. I find this recent media obsession with Lance bit strange. AM aren't competiting for WCC. And he's had some really bad luck. His worst race was Monaco which was ruined moment he got damage in quali from debris. He crashed a few times trying to do too much on a track you can't do anything.

Apart from that he was good in Bahrain, good in Jeddah until retirement, good in Aus, good in Baku, Miami was ruined by bad strategy in quali, good in Spain and recovered a bad quali/strategy well in Canada.


Perez has been worse than Stroll imo. Leclerc has had made more errors. And I say all this as someone who has a poor opinion of Stroll otherwise as a reckless driver who can be fast at times. Yeah so it's really strange that his form is receiving this disproportionate coverage in the media.

[diffuser]

Another example of why the cost cap is a failure. The idea of the cost cap was to make it possible for less well funded teams to compete with the well funded teams. But the less well funded teams are always going to be hamstrung because they can't develop their infrastructure to compete.

Failure? Really? It's like saying F1 is a failure cause Senna died in a car accident in 1994 at Monza. The cost CAP is a living breathing thing than needs to be tweaked to meet the sports needs. Williams have asked for permission to have their infrastructure spending fall outside the cost CAP. I'm sure it will get accepted.

It's a failure because it did not recognise this issue from the start. The time taken for the likes of Williams to get permission adds to their performance deficit relative to the rich teams and thus means the rich teams benefit further - in direct opposition to what the cost cap is intended for.

And your analogy is so crass as to not warrant further comment.

If the shoe fits....

You can't think of everything. It isn't any different to new regulations. There are always teams that find ways around the regs. When the teams do, F1 discuss it, sometimes they chose to update the regs, sometimes they don't.

They might have just said, lets lock everything down now and we'll deal with teams that lack infrastructure on a team per team basis. There is a process in place to make a request after all.

[AR3-GP]

Think the only way Stroll goes is if the team misses out on a WCC contender year due to having a weak second driver.

RB missed out in 2021. Perez stayed.

[AR3-GP]

Think the only way Stroll goes is if the team misses out on a WCC contender year due to having a weak second driver.

I agree. To a certain degree, the Lance issue, is almost as much publicity as if he was challenging Alonso in every race.

Really? Stroll is completely invisible to my eye. I cannot even remember if he was in Canada

[Zynerji]

Failure? Really? It's like saying F1 is a failure cause Senna died in a car accident in 1994 at Monza. The cost CAP is a living breathing thing than needs to be tweaked to meet the sports needs. Williams have asked for permission to have their infrastructure spending fall outside the cost CAP. I'm sure it will get accepted.

It's a failure because it did not recognise this issue from the start. The time taken for the likes of Williams to get permission adds to their performance deficit relative to the rich teams and thus means the rich teams benefit further - in direct opposition to what the cost cap is intended for.

And your analogy is so crass as to not warrant further comment.

If the shoe fits....

You can't think of everything. It isn't any different to new regulations. There are always teams that find ways around the regs. When the teams do, F1 discuss it, sometimes they chose to update the regs, sometimes they don't.

They might have just said, lets lock everything down now and we'll deal with teams that lack infrastructure on a team per team basis. There is a process in place to make a request after all.

I'm pretty sure a few of us here said this would be exactly the outcome in 2021...

[Just_a_fan]

Think the only way Stroll goes is if the team misses out on a WCC contender year due to having a weak second driver.

RB missed out in 2021. Perez stayed.

RB were playing a different game in 2021. They were only interested in the WDC and Perez played his part in that. Staying was his reward.

[Andres125sx]

Another example of why the cost cap is a failure. The idea of the cost cap was to make it possible for less well funded teams to compete with the well funded teams. But the less well funded teams are always going to be hamstrung because they can't develop their infrastructure to compete.

The less well funded teams are always going to be hamstrung because they can´t develop their infrastructure to compete. True. But the reason for that is they´re less well funded, not the cap

What´s your proposal to make it possible that a team investing 1/5 of the money (invented, the exact number is irrelevant) can compete with teams investing five times more money for many years or even decades?


The cost cap can´t do magic, but it´s doing a great work. The grid has never been so tight in decades

[peewon]

Cost cap has made investing in teams more lucrative for non auto manufacturers. Williams didn't have the infrastructure because its owner didn't have the capital to invest. Now that costs are fixed, more entities with enough funding can look to buy teams and plan out their investments and build the infrastructure. Williams new ownership happened on large part due to the cost cap being put in. Old system is responsible for the gulf in infrastructure.