FIA and FOTA reach agreement, no parallel series

[ISLAMATRON]

at least we can see the wings and hear the motors.

Would you like a crayon to color them with too?

Open engine regs are a moot point, they will all gravitate towards 1 engine spec like they did with the V-10's after the turbo's were banned, alot of money will be wasted and in 2 seasons everybody will have the same basic layout. Just as when Ferrari left the V12 and finally adopted the V10 in 1996.

[xpensive]

On the KERS issue again, WB is obviously correct the 400kJ/12 ml gasoline comparison is net power, with a 20% efficiency of the combustion engine, we have 0.060 liters of fuel saved per lap.

However, the 7000 kJ of suggested total kinetic energy to be theoretically recovered, that was considering a 100% efficiency of the generator-to-battery-to-motor combo, while I think we have all seen the need for cooling for those units?

But hey, you need to first spend the energy by accellerating the xtra weight, in order to be able to recover it?

[ISLAMATRON]

On the KERS issue again, WB is obviously correct the 400kJ/12 ml gasoline comparison is net power, with a 20% efficiency of the combustion engine, we have 0.060 liters of fuel saved per lap.

However, the 7000 kJ of suggested total kinetic energy to be theoretically recovered, that was considering a 100% efficiency of the generator-to-battery-to-motor combo, while I think we have all seen the need for cooling for those units?

But hey, you need to first spend the energy by accellerating the xtra weight, in order to be able to recover it?

There is no extra weight, and you know that, the cars are still racing at the 605kg minimum limit. And the sidepod cooling inlets for McLaren are the same if not smaller this year compared to last.

[modbaraban]

It looks like nobody KERS to stay on topic here.

[ISLAMATRON]

It looks like nobody KERS to stay on topic here.

the topic is dead, didnt you hear, no more split, Luca took the money and ran.... again

[WhiteBlue]

... Luca took the money and ran.... again

Well, he certainly did in 2005, but we do not know what went on yesterday. Do you have a source or is it just sharp cutting logic that makes you think so.

[flynfrog]

at least we can see the wings and hear the motors.

Would you like a crayon to color them with too?

Open engine regs are a moot point, they will all gravitate towards 1 engine spec like they did with the V-10's after the turbo's were banned, alot of money will be wasted and in 2 seasons everybody will have the same basic layout. Just as when Ferrari left the V12 and finally adopted the V10 in 1996.

I moved up to markers a few years ago one day I hope to get a paint brush.

the v10s were far from the spec rev limited multi race garbage we have now. KERS would be a moot point if the rev limit was removed.

You want exciting racing watch Shu's last race with the v8 that went to 22k as he was passing most of the field trying to catch up.

why not watch indy racing spec engines spec cars nobody spends to much money.

[flynfrog]

... Luca took the money and ran.... again

Well, he certainly did in 2005, but we do not know what went on yesterday. Do you have a source or is it just sharp cutting logic that makes you think so.

all of this after accusing another member for not using multiple sources

I dont like it is must be {fill in the blanks} fault

[ISLAMATRON]

... Luca took the money and ran.... again

Well, he certainly did in 2005, but we do not know what went on yesterday. Do you have a source or is it just sharp cutting logic that makes you think so.

"According to sources, Mosley, F1 rights holder Bernie Ecclestone and Formula One Teams' Association [FOTA] chairman Luca di Montezemolo held a series of meetings overnight and into this morning, prior to today's World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris, aimed at resolving the crisis"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76495

I just find it strange how they could get done in 1 night what wouldnt be done over these last several months.. of course nobody else was around to see the goings on. TBH speculation on my part, but history shows what type of deals are made when these 3 get together.

...And they are reportedly extending the 1998 "concorde" which was the same one that gave Ferrari more loot and veto powers.

[ISLAMATRON]

at least we can see the wings and hear the motors.

Would you like a crayon to color them with too?

Open engine regs are a moot point, they will all gravitate towards 1 engine spec like they did with the V-10's after the turbo's were banned, alot of money will be wasted and in 2 seasons everybody will have the same basic layout. Just as when Ferrari left the V12 and finally adopted the V10 in 1996.

I moved up to markers a few years ago one day I hope to get a paint brush.

the v10s were far from the spec rev limited multi race garbage we have now. KERS would be a moot point if the rev limit was removed.

You want exciting racing watch Shu's last race with the v8 that went to 22k as he was passing most of the field trying to catch up.

why not watch indy racing spec engines spec cars nobody spends to much money.

You and your markers couldnt tell how many revs he was using without the little FIA onscreen graphic which isnt entirely accurate seeing that it only utilizes the acoustics of the engine to estimate its revs, it could actually have been 21K revs and you would never have known... And those same v-8 but now rev limited to 18K are going around the tracks faster now than they did in 2006

[WhiteBlue]

On the KERS issue again, WB is obviously correct the 400kJ/12 ml gasoline comparison is net power, with a 20% efficiency of the combustion engine, we have 0.060 liters of fuel saved per lap.

Are you going to adress the issue that KERS was castrated by the politicking and could have been applied to a much bigger base value as Luca Marmorini of Toyota testified?

I would estimate that your recycling rate through current KERS would be about 75-80%. MGUs, Batteries and IGPT converters are highly efficient compared to ICEs.

I am not just speaking for KERS. I would like to see progress on internal combustion, HERS and energy efficient aero as well.

At the same time I would like to see some rules that would punish big spenders by giving those advantages away quickly that were gained by spending rather than ingenuity. So engine development could be separately audited and 6 monthly homologated. After exclusive usage of one period all blue prints and know how must be transferred to the other engine makers. Just one idea.

[andartop]

Islam, you might have to consider Montezemolo agreed with Max and Bernie overnight simply because everybody else wanted to agree as well. Do you really think all other teams are so stupid they did not see what is so obvious for you to see, especially after all that's been said and done the last few weeks?

As for KERS, I really enjoyed your post about how well McLaren was doing in Monaco and how it helped them fight great battles in Istanbul. You forgot to mention Silverstone as well. Or could it be they fought all these great battles and won because they were racing for 13th place? And please don't get me started about Melbourne again, where as some people around here might remember there was a SC and quite a few retirements "pushing" the faster of the two McLarens up to 4th..

I'm still waiting for someone to explain old silly me how on earth KERS would be beneficial if everybody had one. Just an extra button to distract drivers 3-4 times around each lap? And how many victories a KERS equipped car achieved so far this year?

EDIT: Have to admit though that KERS has significantly benefited both Ferrari and McLaren. Without it they would be having trouble overtaking the likes of STR and Force India.. What? They still do?

[jamsbong]

You and your markers couldnt tell how many revs he was using without the little FIA onscreen graphic which isnt entirely accurate seeing that it only utilizes the acoustics of the engine to estimate its revs, it could actually have been 21K revs and you would never have known... And those same v-8 but now rev limited to 18K are going around the tracks faster now than they did in 2006

It is not all about speed. If you want speed, get better aero. The engine is the soul of the car and the beautiful noise that it makes at 20k is what attracts fans and the glowing red exhaust is just amazing engineering stuff.

at least we can see the wings and hear the motors.

Would you like a crayon to color them with too?

This is what I mean by useless personal attacks that achieve absolutely nothing.

It looks like nobody KERS to stay on topic here.

the topic is dead, didnt you hear, no more split, Luca took the money and ran.... again

Do I sense hate here?

OK, ISLAM, you've made your point about how much you hate Ferrari. We all get that now. So there is not need to link every possible bad thing to Ferrari. You're stirring up heaps of conspiracy. As far as I can see Ferrari is here to stay. If you don't like it. Then go watch something else. Just grow up!

[ISLAMATRON]

It is not all about speed. If you want speed, get better aero. The engine is the soul of the car and the beautiful noise that it makes at 20k is what attracts fans and the glowing red exhaust is just amazing engineering stuff.

So maybe the teams should put external speakers onto the cars spewing out tapes of the engines going 20k rpm... honestly is it really that big a deal?... 18K, 20K not a big difference

at least we can see the wings and hear the motors.

Would you like a crayon to color them with too?

This is what I mean by useless personal attacks that achieve absolutely nothing.

It was a joke, even he got it...

Do I sense hate here?
OK, ISLAM, you've made your point about how much you hate Ferrari. We all get that now. So there is not need to link every possible bad thing to Ferrari. You're stirring up heaps of conspiracy. As far as I can see Ferrari is here to stay. If you don't like it. Then go watch something else. Just grow up!

It is not hate, it just a matter of recognizing historical precedence, it is often said that history repeats itself, I just happen to think we were just witness to that... please review the link I provided. I actually used to like Ferrari, but the arrogance and one sided view of many of the Tifosi have turned me off to them. Plus Luca is an ass, on the same level of Max so that doesnt help either.

[gcdugas]

We had a peaceful intelligent thread going. We cold see who believed what, who wanted what etc. Then a certain flamer came along and made some baseless comments. Just as before we could see who believed what and who wanted what but now we can also see who is considerate and respectful and who is an ass. The things we learn on these threads extends well beyond F1. It extends into deep psychological roots of deficient souls also. No names need to be mentioned but we all clearly see who the deficient one is.