2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[SoulPancake13]

All in all, when it comes to the dry, Charles is obviously the quicker driver than Sainz. In this car, for whatever reason, Charles is struggling to warm up the fronts which he needs for his driving style in mixed/wet conditions. Was clear from stint 3 that Charles was the faster driver today, Checo made no inroads on him and Charles pulled out a couple seconds on Sainz iirc.

Fred confirms more upgrades for Silverstone. I think we could see another jump in performance then, more time to find even better setups and test just how low this new floor can go.

[deadhead]

Silverstone is Leclerc's favorite track by far (according to him).
He outperformed the car massively here :

- 2020 : P3 in a tractor (although he benefited from Bottas puncture, he was P4 before). The SF1000 had so much drag he was running a pretty low DF setup but he made it work.
- 2021 : P3 in qualy/Sprint. Keep Hamilton behind for most of the race.
- 2022 : Ironically one of the race were the gap with Sainz was the biggest in the season despite the final result not showing it.

He might also bin it if the car is still bouncing/sliding around in the high speed corners.. we know how much he loves being on the limit, and as much as I enjoy it, it requires a car he can be confident with.

[Vanja #66]

Pierre Wache is mentioned again as the top-end RB engineer joining Ferrari...

https://scuderiafans.com/f1-rumour-in-a ... n-ferrari/

No idea if it's just a speculation on the name, or someone spilled some beans...

[LM10]

Pretty decent weekend! RBR (at least in the hands of Max) was out of reach in the race, but seeing it in relation to the Mercedes and AMR which were miles off RBR, it seems Ferrari made a clear step forward. Charles was finally happy after a race.
Obviously still much work to do, but it’s a positive they seem to know what they’re doing now and how to further work on the car. They should be in a better position going forward with the increased wind tunnel and CFD time compared to the current Top-3.

On another note, both Ferrari’s (and interestingly Sainz even more) were the only cars scraping the floor throughout the complete main straight. Can we suggest that Ferrari is able to run the floor so low and have no issues anymore?

[Vanja #66]

On another note, both Ferrari’s (and interestingly Sainz even more) were the only cars scraping the floor throughout the complete main straight. Can we suggest that Ferrari is able to run the floor so low and have no issues anymore?

Ferrari's still generating floor downforce in a way that also leads to the most bouncing, so it's hard to judge the ride height based on this. On the other hand, they were great in S2 in Q, but Max blew them away in S2 in the Race. So the core issue of ride height sensitivity at the start of the race compared to the leading car on the grid is still very much present.

Funny enough, Leclerc had a very comparable stint 3 on Hards vs Max' stint 2 on Hards, with fuel load offset of course - so when the car is lighter and takes the corners faster it drops down more than RB (which is already as low as possible) and gains extra downforce that way. It will be interesting to see if they keep the classic Venturi floor or they try something different already later this season.

[SoulPancake13]

On another note, both Ferrari’s (and interestingly Sainz even more) were the only cars scraping the floor throughout the complete main straight. Can we suggest that Ferrari is able to run the floor so low and have no issues anymore?

Ferrari's still generating floor downforce in a way that also leads to the most bouncing, so it's hard to judge the ride height based on this. On the other hand, they were great in S2 in Q, but Max blew them away in S2 in the Race. So the core issue of ride height sensitivity at the start of the race compared to the leading car on the grid is still very much present.

Funny enough, Leclerc had a very comparable stint 3 on Hards vs Max' stint 2 on Hards, with fuel load offset of course - so when the car is lighter and takes the corners faster it drops down more than RB (which is already as low as possible) and gains extra downforce that way. It will be interesting to see if they keep the classic Venturi floor or they try something different already later this season.

Should also be mentioned that they didn't have a ton of time to mess around with setups yet. I think in Silverstone we can hopefully see a setup that lets them go low for longer. Just as a thought, if Ferrari could stay as low as the RBs the entire race would you expect Ferrari to be fighting for wins?

[organic]

https://formu1a.uno/retroscena-ferrari- ... del-fondo/

BACKGROUND Ferrari: Leclerc at the limit with the wear of the fund

The important thing for the Maranello technicians is that they have begun to reduce or remove the trigger for porpoising. The car remained very stable both on the straight and in the high-speed corners , with full fuel and empty tanks. This is a very important reference being one of the limiting factors of the SF-23 and one of those that, with these updates , we aimed to eliminate. It will be important to confirm this feature at Silverstone as well, so as not to have to resort to compromises in the mechanical setup and give up the downforce produced by the bottom.

[Vanja #66]

Should also be mentioned that they didn't have a ton of time to mess around with setups yet.

They had testing and 8 race weekends before Austria, they aren't going to find any magic setup that will make them half a second faster.

Just as a thought, if Ferrari could stay as low as the RBs the entire race would you expect Ferrari to be fighting for wins?

Q results are an evidence of that, as well as Ferrari's usual competitiveness in final stages of their good races (where strategy and tyre choice didn't obscure the car's pace). Toto Wolff suggested as early as Bahrain that RB is running 10mm lower than any other car all the time, so this advantage of RB is well known since the start.

[Andres125sx]

Ferrari destroyed Sainz's race by benefiting the slower driver this weekend. Vasseur clearly has its own priorities.

Again, second time in a row Ferrari provides TOs to benefit the driver with less points in the WDC. A first in F1 history!!

[Andres125sx]

Second time this has happened. Sainz much faster than Leclerc behind but team does not let the faster car overtake. Like Aston Martin but Leclerc is not Vasseur's son so it's worse.

I understand it's hard for fans of Spanish drivers to accept that Sainz is neither a faster nor a better driver than Leclerc after the lucky 2021 season that Sainz had, but living in denial can lead to unnecessary frustration Also, and far more importantly, it leads to needlessly biased discussions on the Ferrari-team-fan thread

Sainz made amateurish errors in Australia and Monaco and was unnecessarily aggressive with track limits today. Those faults are his and his alone and cost him up to 30 points. Yet he's again lucky enough to still lead in WDC because of Xavi's incompetence as race engineer.

And even with those mistakes, he still is up in the table. That is not luck, even if you can only attribute Sainz merits to luck , it is not the case, he´s up in the table on merit, and deserves a respect. But for some reason you are unable to provide a minimum respect to one Ferrari driver, while at the same time you invent excuses for every mistake the other Ferrari driver do

Sainz impeding...

Sainz' Q3 lap and the lack of awareness and respect for other drivers in the final chicane are simply appaling. I want to say someone in the team should talk to him about it, but everyone else is dropping the ball just as bad

Lecrerc impeding...

It was an in lap and a bs penalty. Max impeeded Lewis and there wasn't even an investigation. As usual, monetisation favourites get a preferential treatment.

Some double standards are extremelly disgusting

It´s your refusal to accept reality what leads to frustration and needlessly biased discussions on this thread, if you could keep some respect to Sainz, Ferrari driver, in this Ferrari thread, there would be a lot less useless discussions

[Andres125sx]

That's irrelevant. Leclerc is faster overall but that's not the point, this weekend Sainz was more comfortable and that was obvious for everyone to see. Prohibiting him from overtaking when he was up to 0.2 tenths behind is ridiculous no matter what.

Not being fast enough to overtake even with DRS is not the same as being prohibitted to overtake, it's worth knowing the difference. Ferrari was a better car than Mercedes and McLaren today and Sainz was able to overtake them easily, didn't he?

Yes he did. Moreover, not only a Mercedes and McLaren, even a RBR!

First stop, Ferrari mess at double pitstop means Sainz had to wait for a slow pistop for Lecrerc (4.4 seconds), and also for a slow pitstop for himself (4.5 seconds), so he lost around 4 seconds on the pitlane. He went into the pits 3rd, and went out of the pitlane 6th on lap 16 behind Perez, Hamilton and Norris

On lap 17 he did pass Norris.
On lap 19 he did pass Hamilton
On lap 20 he did pass Perez!!

So he did recover 3rd position

If he was able to pass RBR, I guess he could pass Ferrari... if he was allowed, but that was not the case, he received TOs to not try a pass on Lecrerc, despite he was leading the table, and actually he still leads

Even so he made some mistakes and Lecrerc deserves his final position, but at that point in the race, there was no reason to provide TOs and deprive theirselves from a small but real chance to fight for victory. I don´t think they had any real chance, but it´s first time I see a F1 team ignoring the chance for victory when they start the race 2nd and 3rd, as that provides a huge advantage to push the leader, split strategies, and force the leader to make a perfect race. Wich btw he didn´t, as not pitting under VSC was a huge mistake for RBR, but Ferrari deprived theirselves from any chance to victory

[dialtone]

Sainz passed Perez thanks to tire offset, he couldn't pass Leclerc because he wasn't as fast in S2 and S3.


Anyway the drivers both did good, Ferrari had also good strategy. Good weekend.

[IntrinsicVoid]

Ferrari destroyed Sainz's race by benefiting the slower driver this weekend. Vasseur clearly has its own priorities.

Again, second time in a row Ferrari provides TOs to benefit the driver with less points in the WDC. A first in F1 history!!

What about Silverstone 2022?

[codetower]

Apologies to all on this thread for adding to the clutter of these silly discussions, but just need to say something after continuously reading all these.

First of all, Sainz is a very good and very fast driver… but he’s not as fast as Leclerc. On MOST weekends, Charles will be the faster driver. Sure, occasionally Leclerc will have an off weekend, or Sainz will be slightly faster… heck, Stroll out-qualified Alonzo this weekend, AND came out ahead of him in the sprint, but no one will argue anything there. Even Perez has beaten Max on occasion. All irrelevant.

Secondly, all the really feel-good moments that have happened in the last 3 years, save for Vettels win in Singapore, have come from Charles. His first win in Belgium that gave us Tifosi hope, Fighting off Hamilton to bring home Ferrari’s first win on home soil in almost a decade, the battles with Verstappen and wins last year, all those on-the-edge pole positions; I think Leclerc has earned the right to get the first calls with the team. Sainz’ lone career win came with controversy.

I like Carlos, but until he does something to “earn” the right to get the preferential calls, things won’t, and shouldn’t, change.

[Cassius]

Should also be mentioned that they didn't have a ton of time to mess around with setups yet.

They had testing and 8 race weekends before Austria, they aren't going to find any magic setup that will make them half a second faster.

Just as a thought, if Ferrari could stay as low as the RBs the entire race would you expect Ferrari to be fighting for wins?

Q results are an evidence of that, as well as Ferrari's usual competitiveness in final stages of their good races (where strategy and tyre choice didn't obscure the car's pace). Toto Wolff suggested as early as Bahrain that RB is running 10mm lower than any other car all the time, so this advantage of RB is well known since the start.

James Allison recently mentioned RB is not running lower.