2023 Alpine F1 Team

[diffuser]

Even with the cost cap, the top 3 employees are still outside it. Will Alpine pursue and entice the best minds aggressively? At least they (Rossi) have started acknowledging some short comings, but then immediately went onto blaming Otmar who's only been there for two minutes, as much as I'm not a fan of him either. So it remains to be seen. They have been hiding behind previous mistakes and 100 race plans for quite a while now.

He never mentioned Otmar by name. Just the teams debut of the season appeared amateurish and he wouldn’t wait till the end of year to make changes if it didn't improve. Nobody blamed Otmar out right. People's interpretation was that it was pointed at him but we don't really know who it was addressing.

The paddock rumors were strong Otmar could be on the hot seat. Otmar himself made some defensive statements after that and admitted he had no direct communication with Rossi before he made those comments which in itself is bizarre. but they got the Monaco podium and things died down. If the rest of the season doesnt show promise, Im fairly confident Otmar will be fall guy.

Romours are rumours. Maybe Otmar's signing was more about getting the water company onboard?

[peewon]

He never mentioned Otmar by name. Just the teams debut of the season appeared amateurish and he wouldn’t wait till the end of year to make changes if it didn't improve. Nobody blamed Otmar out right. People's interpretation was that it was pointed at him but we don't really know who it was addressing.

The paddock rumors were strong Otmar could be on the hot seat. Otmar himself made some defensive statements after that and admitted he had no direct communication with Rossi before he made those comments which in itself is bizarre. but they got the Monaco podium and things died down. If the rest of the season doesnt show promise, Im fairly confident Otmar will be fall guy.

Romours are rumours. Maybe Otmar's signing was more about getting the water company onboard?

Can you even call it a mere rumor when Rossi later mentioned him by name?

“It is Otmar and the rest of his team as Otmar alone doesn’t do everything,” he told the official F1 website, “but the buck stops with Otmar. It’s Otmar’s responsibility, yes.”

The BWT thing is quite possible.

[EJ22B]

Can somebody understand what the AMuS journalist is talking about regarding Alpine. The subs are not clear enough to understand what is being talked about.

[lio007]

# Alpine are the big losers, because McLaren have got 30 points, Alpine on the other side had a double DNF, McLaren is now in front within 1 race and have an advantage of 12 points
# big and minimum target is still P5 in WCC
# but the question is 'why isn't Alpine able to be in the group of best-of-the-rest', insiders have now revealed that the PU is a big concern but can't be changed in the near future
# on a track like Silverstone they lose 0,3s caused by the PU, last year it was "only" 0,15-0,18s
# other manufacturers improved overall power with reliability upgrades, Alpine have not. They had a lot of problems last year with the water pump, but were not able to improve power via reliability upgrades
# if they would have very good drivers like Lando Norris instead of "just good" drivers the pure car performance would allow to drive on the level of Mercedes/Ferrari/Aston

[diffuser]

# Alpine are the big losers, because McLaren have got 30 points, Alpine on the other side had a double DNF, McLaren is now in front within 1 race and have an advantage of 12 points
# big and minimum target is still P5 in WCC
# but the question is 'why isn't Alpine able to be in the group of best-of-the-rest', insiders have now revealed that the PU is a big concern but can't be changed in the near future
# on a track like Silverstone they lose 0,3s caused by the PU, last year it was "only" 0,15-0,18s
# other manufacturers improved overall power with reliability upgrades, Alpine have not. They had a lot of problems last year with the water pump, but were not able to improve power via reliability upgrades
# if they would have very good drivers like Lando Norris instead of "just good" drivers the pure car performance would allow to drive on the level of Mercedes/Ferrari/Aston

We'll I can't say I disagree with that. I would add that their drivers have problems staying out of incidents that lead to broken parts.

[CaribouBread]

[Juzh]

Farcical, but expected behaviour from alpine/renault/stelantis/whoever

[diffuser]

# Alpine are the big losers, because McLaren have got 30 points, Alpine on the other side had a double DNF, McLaren is now in front within 1 race and have an advantage of 12 points
# big and minimum target is still P5 in WCC
# but the question is 'why isn't Alpine able to be in the group of best-of-the-rest', insiders have now revealed that the PU is a big concern but can't be changed in the near future
# on a track like Silverstone they lose 0,3s caused by the PU, last year it was "only" 0,15-0,18s
# other manufacturers improved overall power with reliability upgrades, Alpine have not. They had a lot of problems last year with the water pump, but were not able to improve power via reliability upgrades
# if they would have very good drivers like Lando Norris instead of "just good" drivers the pure car performance would allow to drive on the level of Mercedes/Ferrari/Aston

Pretty sure Alpine got permission to upgrade piston rings as well. Should allow them to run higher boost.

[organic]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/66262365

Rossi out of CEO role and working now on "special projects", replaced by Renault executive Philippe Krief

Good move but perhaps too late. Alienated a lot of important people I feel

[JordanMugen]

# if they would have very good drivers like Lando Norris instead of "just good" drivers the pure car performance would allow to drive on the level of Mercedes/Ferrari/Aston

Would Alonso + Piastri have been a better choice of driver lineup than Ocon + Gasly? It's interesting that Alpine confirmed Ocon and thereby no longer had the space to accommodate both Alonso and Piastri (and therefore ended up with neither as they both had more attractive offers elsewhere).

In any case, with strong development I see no reason for Alpine to not be on track for WDC and WCC success in 2025 in line with the 100-race plan.

Could Victor Martins be the fast rookie, similar to Norris, which Alpine seek? To me, Martins seems consistently fast.

# on a track like Silverstone they lose 0,3s caused by the PU, last year it was "only" 0,15-0,18s

How did that happen? I thought Renault was on par with the best since 2022 anyway, rather than 0.15s behind?

What will Renault do to secure extra power unit customers to aid data gathering? Offer very attractively priced deals with world class technical support?

[peewon]

# Alpine are the big losers, because McLaren have got 30 points, Alpine on the other side had a double DNF, McLaren is now in front within 1 race and have an advantage of 12 points
# big and minimum target is still P5 in WCC
# but the question is 'why isn't Alpine able to be in the group of best-of-the-rest', insiders have now revealed that the PU is a big concern but can't be changed in the near future
# on a track like Silverstone they lose 0,3s caused by the PU, last year it was "only" 0,15-0,18s
# other manufacturers improved overall power with reliability upgrades, Alpine have not. They had a lot of problems last year with the water pump, but were not able to improve power via reliability upgrades
# if they would have very good drivers like Lando Norris instead of "just good" drivers the pure car performance would allow to drive on the level of Mercedes/Ferrari/Aston

Actually, pace wise they are where Id expect them to be. They were 4th last year because Ricciardo was driving like a rookie for some reason. Mclaren were clearly faster than them on pure pace. They haven't dropped off massively. The two different leaps made by AM first and now Mclaren have actually made them look worse in comparison.

They ran a flawed chassis for 3 years until the rule change. Now, their split turbo PU was 3 years in the making, wasn't reliable and now they probably have had to dial it back to make it last. No idea who's to blame for that but that problem predates Rossi and he created a fair few himself. Its also emblematic as to why Alpine have been so mediocre and the worst works team on the grid.

[draghixa]

# Alpine are the big losers, because McLaren have got 30 points, Alpine on the other side had a double DNF, McLaren is now in front within 1 race and have an advantage of 12 points
# big and minimum target is still P5 in WCC
# but the question is 'why isn't Alpine able to be in the group of best-of-the-rest', insiders have now revealed that the PU is a big concern but can't be changed in the near future
# on a track like Silverstone they lose 0,3s caused by the PU, last year it was "only" 0,15-0,18s
# other manufacturers improved overall power with reliability upgrades, Alpine have not. They had a lot of problems last year with the water pump, but were not able to improve power via reliability upgrades
# if they would have very good drivers like Lando Norris instead of "just good" drivers the pure car performance would allow to drive on the level of Mercedes/Ferrari/Aston

Actually, pace wise they are where Id expect them to be. They were 4th last year because Ricciardo was driving like a rookie for some reason. Mclaren were clearly faster than them on pure pace. They haven't dropped off massively. The two different leaps made by AM first and now Mclaren have actually made them look worse in comparison.

They ran a flawed chassis for 3 years until the rule change. Now, their split turbo PU was 3 years in the making, wasn't reliable and now they probably have had to dial it back to make it last. No idea who's to blame for that but that problem predates Rossi and he created a fair few himself. Its also emblematic as to why Alpine have been so mediocre and the worst works team on the grid.

Split turbo PU is in it's second season in 2023.

[peewon]

# Alpine are the big losers, because McLaren have got 30 points, Alpine on the other side had a double DNF, McLaren is now in front within 1 race and have an advantage of 12 points
# big and minimum target is still P5 in WCC
# but the question is 'why isn't Alpine able to be in the group of best-of-the-rest', insiders have now revealed that the PU is a big concern but can't be changed in the near future
# on a track like Silverstone they lose 0,3s caused by the PU, last year it was "only" 0,15-0,18s
# other manufacturers improved overall power with reliability upgrades, Alpine have not. They had a lot of problems last year with the water pump, but were not able to improve power via reliability upgrades
# if they would have very good drivers like Lando Norris instead of "just good" drivers the pure car performance would allow to drive on the level of Mercedes/Ferrari/Aston

Actually, pace wise they are where Id expect them to be. They were 4th last year because Ricciardo was driving like a rookie for some reason. Mclaren were clearly faster than them on pure pace. They haven't dropped off massively. The two different leaps made by AM first and now Mclaren have actually made them look worse in comparison.

They ran a flawed chassis for 3 years until the rule change. Now, their split turbo PU was 3 years in the making, wasn't reliable and now they probably have had to dial it back to make it last. No idea who's to blame for that but that problem predates Rossi and he created a fair few himself. Its also emblematic as to why Alpine have been so mediocre and the worst works team on the grid.

Split turbo PU is in it's second season in 2023.

They had already made the decision to switch in 2019. Then it got delayed by covid and then another year for some reason. They really should've been ready with it for the 21-22 season. So cutting them slack for covid, they have been working on this PU for 3 years at least. Thats also after it took them forever (5 years) to realize switching to split turbo was the way to go.

[dfegan358]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-t ... /10498937/

How would this work? Give Renault more Time to introduce another engine spec?
It is so typical of Renault if this is true, all talk and no action no delivery of substance despite years of bullish talk.

The other manufacturers won’t be too easy to convince about equalisation.

[JordanMugen]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-t ... /10498937/

How would this work? Give Renault more Time to introduce another engine spec?
It is so typical of Renault if this is true, all talk and no action no delivery of substance despite years of bullish talk.

The other manufacturers won’t be too easy to convince about equalisation.

Renault's proposal for power unit performance equalisation seems eminently sensible IMO.

It would be unreasonable for Alpine to be disadvantaged to the tune of 30hp, assuming Renault's estimate of their power deficit is correct.

How Renault's state-of-the-art 2022 power unit (some three seasons in the making IIRC!) ended up 30hp down on the best is curious, but besides the point really.