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Could not agree more.WhiteBlue wrote:Kimi came to Ferrari clearly as the #1 driver if you look at his salary. He was brought in by pressure of Montezemolo while reportedly Todt wanted Schumacher to drive another year.
Kimi was very lucky that McLaren shot themselves in the foot that year with the Alonso Hamilton feud because under normal circumstances he could never have won that championship. With this lucky WDC under his belt Kimi lost most of his attitude towards GP driving. Ever since 2007 Massa has walked over him. It must be a constant pain for Montezemolo. Ferrari has made Raikkonen a very rich man but they did not get the value that they used to get for the top dollar they payed.
If they have a chance to rectify this by getting Alonso they would be mad not to. The question is how Alonso will do in the long run. He is neither a team player nor can he live with a top notch team mate. He should be able to deal with Massa, but what will happen if Ferrari have a go at another stronger driver like Vettel as Ecclestone wants them? He can only pray that Ferrari will remember the havoc of 2007 at McLaren and give him clear #1 status with a voice at selecting team mates. How probable is that with Montezemolo at the helm?
Well if it was just the car, then Massa should have a similar no. of fastest laps.ISLAMATRON wrote:or maybe he had the fastest car... or maybe he was always playing catch up while Hamilton or Massa had a clear lead and no need to push at the end of the race
I think it's that Kimi seems to lack motivation. For someone at the pinnacle of motor racing, his apparent lack of motivation seems a slap in the face to every aspiring racer and fan alike.Michiba wrote:wow, what's withe Kimi hating all of the sudden?
I think he was the fastest driver last year, but lucked out a couple of times, and screwed up at crucial moments.
He still has the most fastest laps for last year. This stat doesn't mean much in terms of championships, but it clearly shows he was fastest.
ISLAMATRON wrote:More like the Ice cream man now.... and is driving just as slow
Ok, I never was a huge KR fan, and I have to admit last year I would stand in front of the TV and shout and swear at him more often than not, but this is getting ridiculous..WhiteBlue wrote:Kimi was very lucky that McLaren shot themselves in the foot that year with the Alonso Hamilton feud because under normal circumstances he could never have won that championship.
Sure, its a fact that Kimi won that WDC and nobody can take it away from him. It is equally clear that Ferrari used team order that year and McLaren did not. Under equal circumstances McLaren had the upper hand and one of their drivers would have won. So Kimi/Ferrari were better in the end because McLaren politics gave that championship away. Just think about the points Alonso lost from his Hungary affair. You cannot rely on your competitor to be dumb. So I call that lucky.andartop wrote:"If"s and "but"s, "would've"s and "could've"s don't count as results, official race records, points and titles do.
Have to disagree. Their stupid pit stop light system really was an own goal. If you remember Singapore, Massa got a green light just before he drove off with the fuel hose. If anything should be called "Monkey Business" then I think that is pretty close.WhiteBlue wrote:Sure, its a fact that Kimi won that WDC and nobody can take it away from him. It is equally clear that Ferrari used team order that year and McLaren did not. Under equal circumstances McLaren had the upper hand and one of their drivers would have won. So Kimi/Ferrari were better in the end because McLaren politics gave that championship away. Just think about the points Alonso lost from his Hungary affair. You cannot rely on your competitor to be dumb. So I call that lucky.andartop wrote:"If"s and "but"s, "would've"s and "could've"s don't count as results, official race records, points and titles do.
If you compare Hamilton 2008 I would not call that lucky. The dodgy Spa decision went against him and he had the smallest possible margin in hand just like Kimi 2007. But Ferrari gave no points away for monkey business.
This just goes on to prove my point. You see, the problem is that exactly as you conveniently chose two specific incidents (Hungary, Spa) or so-called circumstances (McLaren politics - as if McLaren didn't really want to win the title), so could I, as paused did, or anybody for that matter, choose another two, three or five different ones (but always conveniently selected) to support that every championship ever won by anyone was down to luck. I call that pathetic. Certainly some championships have been won more decisively than others, or in more style, and some had more of a "rulette" or "politics" or "superior car" or "whatever" component. But to claim any championship ever was simply down to luck is simply invalid.WhiteBlue wrote:Sure, its a fact that Kimi won that WDC and nobody can take it away from him. It is equally clear that Ferrari used team order that year and McLaren did not. Under equal circumstances McLaren had the upper hand and one of their drivers would have won. So Kimi/Ferrari were better in the end because McLaren politics gave that championship away. Just think about the points Alonso lost from his Hungary affair. You cannot rely on your competitor to be dumb. So I call that lucky.andartop wrote:"If"s and "but"s, "would've"s and "could've"s don't count as results, official race records, points and titles do.
If you compare Hamilton 2008 I would not call that lucky. The dodgy Spa decision went against him and he had the smallest possible margin in hand just like Kimi 2007. But Ferrari gave no points away for monkey business.
Good post. I remind myself often that the best of us would be several seconds per lap slower than the worst F1 driver out there. Not to mention that few of us are anywhere the conditioning of the least fit active F1 driver.Bob Brown wrote:I really don't see how people all of a sudden turn on Kimi just because he is not winning in a mediocre car. Lack of motivation??? Do people need to be in EJ's shoes again to be reminded about it? Geez, it's like people just take random --- talking in the news and then role with it.
Sure he is not winning races, but you wouldn't either if you had a car that had reliability problems, etc...
People just need to lay off Kimi and enjoy the sport, and take the season as it is.....a bad one for Ferrari.
I'm just happy to watch him go out there and give it his all to try and get as high up there as possible and maybe by some crazy random luck like Alonso in Singapore 08, win a race this year.
Lack of discernable emotion is the problem here. Win, lose, or on fire, Kimi seems completely neutral about his situation. He's a Vulcan. If he's winning, no feelings are showing, and people think he's got nerves of steel. Losing? He clearly must not care, 'cause he's not going on about "we must give it our all, blah blah blah".Bob Brown wrote:I really don't see how people all of a sudden turn on Kimi just because he is not winning in a mediocre car. Lack of motivation???