Kimi leaving Ferrari?

[noname]

I really don't see how people all of a sudden turn on Kimi just because he is not winning in a mediocre car. Lack of motivation???

Lack of discernable emotion is the problem here. Win, lose, or on fire, Kimi seems completely neutral about his situation. He's a Vulcan. If he's winning, no feelings are showing, and people think he's got nerves of steel. Losing? He clearly must not care, 'cause he's not going on about "we must give it our all, blah blah blah".

I think someone like Alonso is probably the polar opposite, he really sees to get down on the situation when it's not going well, but that turns around fast with success.

Which driver would you prefer to have working for you?

the one who is faster.

Kimi seems to be the kind of driver who is not enjoying cruising around to get 1 or 2 points. but once he feels he can fight for a win he is giving his all, I think last year in Spa we had good example of that. he crashed, his chances for a title evaporated so he settled down and for the rest of the season he was doing what was the best for a team without taking unnecessary risk.

he is not the only sportsmen who is keeping his emotions inside. Pavo Nurmi or Indurain, to name just two, presented similar attitude but no one can say they were not been great.

[Giblet]

I don't think many people question Kimi's outright talent and speed, but I feel the Tifosi who _love_ Ferrari don't seem to see Kimi _loving_ Ferrari.

When asked about joining Ferrari he didn't give the standard answer that most drivers dream to actually drive for Ferrari, or know they are somewhat the cat's ass if they are offered the drive, and learn to love the team.

Massa has aligned himself well with the fans as he seems to have passion dripping from every pore.

If you listen to what Kimi says, and not how he says it, he talks about everything without personalizing it.

Even when asked about driving for Ferrari he says things like 'I thing so Ferrari is a great team and a lot of drivers I thing so have always wanted to drive for them(sic)'. I am paraphrasing hard, but he always talks about the car, the race, and waiting and seeing.

I think the passion of F1 has trouble with his distant "I am in control, not a puppet" kind of attitude.

[mike]

I really don't see how people all of a sudden turn on Kimi just because he is not winning in a mediocre car. Lack of motivation???

Lack of discernable emotion is the problem here. Win, lose, or on fire, Kimi seems completely neutral about his situation. He's a Vulcan. If he's winning, no feelings are showing, and people think he's got nerves of steel. Losing? He clearly must not care, 'cause he's not going on about "we must give it our all, blah blah blah".

I think someone like Alonso is probably the polar opposite, he really sees to get down on the situation when it's not going well, but that turns around fast with success.

Which driver would you prefer to have working for you?

yea Alonso blames the team if he is not winning and takes all the credit if he wins. good time to remember china 06 when he thinks that the team lead a conspiracy against him?

[FGD]

I really don't see how people all of a sudden turn on Kimi just because he is not winning in a mediocre car. Lack of motivation???

Lack of discernable emotion is the problem here. Win, lose, or on fire, Kimi seems completely neutral about his situation. He's a Vulcan. If he's winning, no feelings are showing, and people think he's got nerves of steel. Losing? He clearly must not care, 'cause he's not going on about "we must give it our all, blah blah blah".

I think someone like Alonso is probably the polar opposite, he really sees to get down on the situation when it's not going well, but that turns around fast with success.

Which driver would you prefer to have working for you?

yea Alonso blames the team if he is not winning and takes all the credit if he wins. good time to remember china 06 when he thinks that the team lead a conspiracy against him?

I'd chose Alonso. If he was available at the time of Schumacher's retirement, Ferrari would have chosen him and Alonso would likely have been a four-time world champion by now.

[lkocev]

I'm of a different opinion mentioned in this thread. Many people seem to think that Kimi's attitude is out of whack and that Alonso and Massa have better attitudes and better demeanours. I can't possibly disagree more. Raikkonen's attitude is not bad by comparison to Alonso or Massa, it is just different. The way he goes about things is not worse or better than the way Alonso or Massa do, again, its just different.

There would be good things about having Alonso at an F1 team, there would also be not so good things too. I guess I don't need to mention much more than Alonso's flamboyance with the Media; claiming that your own team have plotted against you, or that your presence at McLaren alone made the MP4-22 three tenths a lap faster, are just a few things about Alonso that are not usefull to an F1 team in my opinion.

Bear in mind that I'm quite a reserved person myself so I may have a marginal bias to Kimi, but for arguments sake, if I were in the position of choosing one driver seat between Kimi and Alonso, I would choose Kimi. Through my eyes, Kimi is more level headed, he knows his role as a driver, he knows the role of the engineers, and doesn't make anywhere near the crazy comments Alonso does in the media. I can't imagine that it would be very encouraging for an engineering team, who are probably working over 12 hours a day, to hear one of their drivers take the credit for the pace of their car. Through my eyes Kimi knows that he can only do his best to drive the car, and do his best to work together with his engineers.

Sure he doesn't apear to give too much of a --- at all. I mean, we have seen him numerous times on the top step of the podium, and not even a smile comes across his face. But that is his character. Just like Schumacher's favous 'Victory Leap' ... Kimi has his stone cold emotionless face. I wouldn't doubt his commitment for a second. I don't see a change at all in his demeanour or attitude since he was winning races at McLaren, to when he was world champion in 2007, to now.

[mike]

I'd chose Alonso. If he was available at the time of Schumacher's retirement, Ferrari would have chosen him and Alonso would likely have been a four-time world champion by now.

wrong~! Kimi had a contract to drive for Ferrari for 2007, during 2005. At 2005 both Kimi and Alonso would have been free to drive for any team for 2007, and Ferrari picked Kimi. Which also shows that Kimi is contracted to drive the 07 Ferrari before Massa or Schumacher. Base on the drive he put in during the 2005 or before season, Ferrari(Brawn, Schumacher, Todt) simply decided that Kimi was the man they wanted. You can always sit and wonder what Alonso could have achieved, but lets not forget Kimi would have been 3-4 times world champion by now, easily, had the Mclaren been able to finsih the race. The question is not speed or luck or teamwork or being complete driver, the question is commitment.
Does Kimi still want to be World Champion again?
Alonso still does.
And just because Kimi is not jumping up and down like a monkey and shooting an arrow in the sky when he wins doesnt mean that he had lost the will or the ability to win a race.