2023 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Aug 25 - 27

[SiLo]

I guarantee there will be flares there still, people are morons.

[mclaren111]

Good riddance!
I think fans should have a right to fresh air and not compromising their health permanently just to see a live race.
It was just silly in the first place for anyone to think that inhaling anything other than air would be harmless.
I cannot image how poor the view of the race would be for fans under the orange smoke sceen.

My predictions: If the race is wet 100% of the way, a Hamilton win. If it is dries at any moment A dominant Max win.
The break has been so long, I do not even know which car would be runner up to Redbull. Ferrari maybe?

Wet = Norris Win...

[Cs98]

I try to understand how many here have the positive view that if it is a wet race RB in Max hands will not have 30+ sec difference to the 2nd? Suddenly Max who is one of the best in wet will forget how to drive in his home track infront of his local fans? Also no-one counts Ferrari which is strange really.

Max's advantage is extended in wet conditions. With his skill and the RB being kind of its tyres he has been winning wet races by miles recently. The only complicating factor is if he's stuck in the pack, like Singapore ly.

[AR3-GP]

It might be a bit early to look at the forecast, but it looks...dry....

[TNTHead]

Hard to say, bit to early. But acccording to one of the dutch forecast sites some rain is expected, although it probably will at least be partly dry.

[chrisc90]

They not exactly that dangerous. More chance of a car kicking a pebble up and hitting someone in the crowd than a flare.

They aren't designed or intended to be used in groups of people - they're a device for attracting help in emergency situations. Even the products for sale for non-emergency use tell you to avoid inhaling the smoke, not to use them crowded areas, etc..

When one sees safety warnings such as this:

Inhalation: Excessive inhalation of the smoke produced may cause respiratory irritation and difficulty breathing. Remove victim to fresh air, loosen clothing around airway, keep warm and rest. Seek medical advice/attention if symptoms persist.

Then it's fairly obvious that using such things in crowds is a really stupid and thoughtless thing to do.

They should stop smoking too in F1 venues then. Just as dangerous. And it smells far worse. I don’t mind the smell of some pyrotechnics!

[dans79]

They should stop smoking too in F1 venues then. Just as dangerous. And it smells far worse. I don’t mind the smell of some pyrotechnics!

When was the last time you were to a race? Pretty much all the circuits forbid smoking in the grandstands and any enclosed space!

Not to mention 1 flare puts out multiple orders of magnitude more smoke than a smoker.

[langedweil]

They should stop smoking too in F1 venues then. Just as dangerous. And it smells far worse. I don’t mind the smell of some pyrotechnics!

Nothing beats the smell of napalm in the morning

[Just_a_fan]

For anyone interested in further reading, the circuit's own "house rules" are here: https://dvy7d3tlxdpkf.cloudfront.net/ci ... s-v3.1.pdf

[chrisc90]

They should stop smoking too in F1 venues then. Just as dangerous. And it smells far worse. I don’t mind the smell of some pyrotechnics!

When was the last time you were to a race? Pretty much all the circuits forbid smoking in the grandstands and any enclosed space!

Not to mention 1 flare puts out multiple orders of magnitude more smoke than a smoker.

Austria. Yes there were people smoking in the stands and venue.


Bit off topic though.

[Big Tea]

For anyone interested in further reading, the circuit's own "house rules" are here: https://dvy7d3tlxdpkf.cloudfront.net/ci ... s-v3.1.pdf

I can not help but feel anyone responsible enough to read rules, is not going to be taking a flair anyway.

[Just_a_fan]

For anyone interested in further reading, the circuit's own "house rules" are here: https://dvy7d3tlxdpkf.cloudfront.net/ci ... s-v3.1.pdf

I can not help but feel anyone responsible enough to read rules, is not going to be taking a flair anyway.

You may have a point.

[taperoo2k]

They not exactly that dangerous. More chance of a car kicking a pebble up and hitting someone in the crowd than a flare.

They aren't designed or intended to be used in groups of people - they're a device for attracting help in emergency situations. Even the products for sale for non-emergency use tell you to avoid inhaling the smoke, not to use them crowded areas, etc..

When one sees safety warnings such as this:

Inhalation: Excessive inhalation of the smoke produced may cause respiratory irritation and difficulty breathing. Remove victim to fresh air, loosen clothing around airway, keep warm and rest. Seek medical advice/attention if symptoms persist.

Then it's fairly obvious that using such things in crowds is a really stupid and thoughtless thing to do.

They should stop smoking too in F1 venues then. Just as dangerous. And it smells far worse. I don’t mind the smell of some pyrotechnics!

Difference is Flares are classed as explosives in most countries. It's only a matter of time before an idiot either injures themselves or others when they set it off incorrectly or worse causes a crash on track. Pretty sure the smoke from a flare would trigger an asthma attack faster than cigarette smoke would. Plus smoke from flares lingers far longer than cigarette smoke does. You sound like you are being obtuse for the sake of it.

Put simply flares do not belong in F1.

[Stu]

Unbelievable! Not a wheel turned and almost half of the posts in this thread have had to be deleted….

Gentle reminder- this is the 2023 Zandvort GP thread.

Flares have been covered off, btw!!

[Wouter]

Sneek preview of the trophies. What do you think about them? I don't like them.