Nothing is over, yet?

[timbo]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76766

I find this report VERY suspicious.
Clearly not something FOTA hoped for.
Besides, on official FIA site 2010 budget-capped rules stay as they are...

[Conceptual]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[flynfrog]

just pull out and let the FIA run there cosworth spec class. Maybe than can call it Indy 2

[James_graham]

I don't think it will change much. I beleive most of the teams will carry on with out a budget cap and FOTA will get what it wants

I wouldn't have thought and Indy/CART situation is what anybody wants seeing what a disaster it has been for Indy. And I don't think Manor, Campos and USF1 want to race without the big names there

[WhiteBlue]

I see this as an opportunity for the Indians to show the chiefs that they can do better without them. Each of the leading engineers in F1 will be working towards a budget or total resource allocation and has always done so. In some cases it is higher and in other cases it is lower. They will have to plan that for two years and come up with some tolerances on how much some of them can deviate from the median. In the end there is also an element of pride involved. If you fight for yourself to claim twice the resources your competitor is confident to cope with it becomes humiliating. How much do you want to look like a cheat? Personal involvement could be the thing that sorts this out on the engineering level. After all FOTA has an official target to go back to 90ties resource level. If there are teams in the end with 70% more resources tan the median it will not be such a big deal. This has happened before and does not mean that they will be successfull. But if you allocate over longer periods 200% or more and choke the technical innovation to zero then it cannot work. Those guys should be able to come up with a compromise for a two year resource plan if they try.

[ISLAMATRON]

FOTA walks out of yet another meeting.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76777

"the eight outfits involved in the organisation left the meeting when asked to provide input on further rule changes it hoped to see in place."

[Scotracer]

I've had enough of it - I don't want either side to prevail. Bloody Prima-donnas.

[gcdugas]

Mosley cannot be trusted to be a janitor. To hell with him and the FIA. No deals signed yet. FOTA GP 2010 now. Let the FIA have their Cosworth series and let the real men race in the GPWC.

Death to Mosley.

[ISLAMATRON]

FOTA's side now

http://pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news ... t_id=38357

[timbo]

This is incredible.
I'm speechless...

[Sawtooth-spike]

its like 2 spoilt children!

This is a farce!

[gcdugas]

its like 2 spoilt children!

This is a farce!

No it is 8 adults and one sado-masochistic megalomaniac. All you need to do is remove one ingredient.

Rope, tree, some assembly required.

[ESPImperium]

its like 2 spoilt children!

This is a farce!

No it is 8 adults and one sado-masochistic megalomaniac. All you need to do is remove one ingredient.

Rope, tree, some assembly required.

Just Watch, he mingh actually enjoy that!!!

I have always been on FOTAs side. The side of sence and reason. The FIA just dont have any of either. There are other ways to reduce costs i think, and other ways for the rules to be aggreed.

Taking cost cutting for example, the FOTA 8 should have aggreed a contract with the FIA that they reduce their spending by 10% each year untill they reach the Cost Cap level, whitch starts at £75million and increases each year by 2.75%. The once the middle ground is reached, they stay there for a set number of years, say 3 or 5, and then increas spending by 5% each year.

Just ran a cost prediction, and if the FOTA Teams reduced spending by 18.5% each year for 7 years, and the Cost Capped Teams (CCT) increased their costs by 3.5% each year for 7 years, the figure would be roughly £100Million for a season. If they kept this at this level for say 3 years, then increased it by 5% each year for 5 years, it would be arround the figure that the current Toro Rosso team are running on per season.

As if current spending is fillowed, in arround 25 years time its gonna be arround £1billion for Ferrari to run a team in F1.

Im Pro FOTA, but i dont think the FIA are going arround things the right way. They sould be looking at other reductions, slowly getting the FOTA teams down to the level of the CC teams.

This requires a new Concorde Aggreement that is leagaly binding for teams currently and for future teams if a team changes ownership.

There needs to be more talks, but i can see a hostile takeover of the F1 brand name happening, whitch may not be pretty. As well as a FOTA breakaway from the FIA very like what happened in Darts (Pub game i know) in the early 90s, the PDC Breaking away from the BDO (Wiki Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_in_darts).

Thats my views on the situation.

[donskar]

FOTA's side now

http://pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news ... t_id=38357

ISLAMATRON, thank you for that for the link, which is simply Un-effing believable!

IF accurate, this is beyond the pale. This farce can not have a good end, unless there is a radical change in one side or the other.

I suggested some weeks ago that Max's tactic might be to delay and delay until it was too late for FOTA to get a breakaway series geared up. It sure likes he is taking that approach. I still fear that Max will win and retain his dominance. But given all the nastiness of the past several weeks, I don't think there can ever be a happy marriage between FOTA and FIA as long as the current players are in place.

I think we're heading for the final act of a Shakespearean tragedy -- acted out by a cast including Monty Python, the Three Stooges, and the Marx Brothers.

[jddh1]

No it is 8 adults and one sado-masochistic megalomaniac. All you need to do is remove one ingredient.

Rope, tree, some assembly required.

May I amend your post, GCDugas? Here it is, with the changes in bold:

No it is 8 adults and one sado-masochistic megalomaniac. All you need to do is remove one ingredient.

Rope, tree, some engineering required.

But since the sado-masochistic megalomaniac does not understand engineering very well, he might have trouble with the rope and tree as well.