2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

[Cs98]

Apparently Russell gave Hamilton a tow so if Hamilton's top speed is similar to Russell he should be running High downforce wing... Weird how Hamilton couldn't gain any time back in corners. It will be interesting what his excuse will be this time

He didn't. Hamilton was running behind but let Russell get 7s out in front, which is too far for the tow. Same DF on both cars.

[AR3-GP]

Ferrari have laid down a top speed marker:



350km/h on the main straight for Sainz at sea level.

[Astro85]

Perez is nowhere. Four tenths down in the same is just shameful. I only see him making progress in the tail end of the stints where the tyre life and a more stable car will help him.

Max now, as usual will play it safe in the first few laps and let the race come to him. Barring safety cars it's an easy win for him again.

Russell I get the feeling has a lower downforce setup. He and Albon. They will burn out their tyres the end of the stints.

Ferrari will also struggle. In fact I can't even predict the podium.

That is incorrect, Russell and Hamilton have the same downforce levels, their top speeds are basically the same, Lewis is actually 2kph faster than George on the straight who is the slowest on the grid.

[PlatinumZealot]

Perez is nowhere. Four tenths down in the same is just shameful. I only see him making progress in the tail end of the stints where the tyre life and a more stable car will help him.

Max now, as usual will play it safe in the first few laps and let the race come to him. Barring safety cars it's an easy win for him again.

Russell I get the feeling has a lower downforce setup. He and Albon. They will burn out their tyres the end of the stints.

Ferrari will also struggle. In fact I can't even predict the podium.

Weren't you the guy who came into the RB thread a few weeks back telling people not to harp on Perez? You're a troll.

Russell and Hamilton were running identical DF judging by their top speeds that matched perfectly.

How is this objective analysis harping on Perez? It's a clear observation, not the throwing under the bus that goes on in that Redbull thread.

And by the way, rules are not to discuss other posters here.

[Cs98]

How is this objective analysis harping on Perez? It's a clear observation, not the throwing under the bus that goes on in that Redbull thread.

Calling something "shameful" is not an objective analysis. Not to mention some of your other "objective analysis" regarding Perez from the RB thread. Like:

This has gone too far. FIA MUST get Sergio Perez out of that RedBull seat

Looks to me like you are the one throwing Perez under the bus in that thread.

[piast9]

But there were setup differences in Red Bull and in Williams, as Will Buxton kept pointing out during the FP coverage. I just wonder whether the reason for them were the driver preferences or parts availability.

[AR3-GP]

But there were setup differences in Red Bull and in Williams, as Will Buxton kept pointing out during the FP coverage. I just wonder whether the reason for them were the driver preferences or parts availability.

This was mostly the teams evaluating options on Friday. Towards qualifying, the cars convered quite a bit. Verstappen and Perez have slightly different rear flaps.

[denyall]

Will be interesting to see who as the car for the race. I think RB are easy win, and Ferrari will probably cook the tires off.

With the gravel and risk of beaching I'm expecting some SC fueled surprises.

I think Lewis will struggle in outright overtakes but maybe the good Merc strategy team will show up.

Expecting George to do well. Could be in for a podium if he keeps it clean. He's got track position and will have confidence in being out front of Lewis.

[AR3-GP]

Something has always bothered me about the driving lines used at Monza. When you start the lap, isn't the ideal way to use the maximum distance from the parabolica to the timing line to build up your speed? This has the effect of allowing you to cross the timing line with the highest speed possible. As it is, the drivers seem to cut to the inside and straightline the run the timing line (the yellow line) to start their hot lap. I'm certain this is incorrect and costing laptime at the start of the lap. Someone who was more clever could gain a few thousandths of a second by adopting the red line below when starting the hot lap:




Unless that side of the track is dirty and it would compromise them in the T1 brake zone (I doubt this)

[CaribouBread]

Something has always bothered me ,,,

Unless that side of the track is dirty and it would compromise them in the T1 brake zone (I doubt this)

Havent really paid attention to the track surface at all but perhaps the red line is a bit bumpier than the yellow line? I remember in Nico Rossberg's videos he'd mention repeatedly that the teams look for the lines with the least undulations on the straights so you can set up the car fractionally lower than you can otherwise.

Could be something else entirely though

[AR3-GP]

Something has always bothered me ,,,

Unless that side of the track is dirty and it would compromise them in the T1 brake zone (I doubt this)

Havent really paid attention to the track surface at all but perhaps the red line is a bit bumpier than the yellow line? I remember in Nico Rossberg's videos he'd mention repeatedly that the teams look for the lines with the least undulations on the straights so you can set up the car fractionally lower than you can otherwise.

Could be something else entirely though

That's a good point. It may be to avoid bottoming which probably slows you down a little bit.

[Sieper]

You also shed speed by changing direction, however little. I read the drivers like to use as little steering input as possible on the straights.

[ringo]

Yellow line is a shorter distance. Less ground to cover to get to the line in qualifying. This was thing Hamilton would do back in the mclaren days in qualifying. Just take the shortest distance to the line in qualy, ignoring what happens after as that would be the cool down lap.

[AR3-GP]

Yellow line is a shorter distance. Less ground to cover to get to the line in qualifying. This was thing Hamilton would do back in the mclaren days in qualifying. Just take the shortest distance to the line in qualy, ignoring what happens after as that would be the cool down lap.

I'm referring to the start of the lap, not the end. The red line in theory could lead to a higher speed across the line to start the lap. Timing only begins after the line so you are automatically gaining a few thousandths by using extra road to increase your speed before crossing it.

[organic]

Yellow line is a shorter distance. Less ground to cover to get to the line in qualifying. This was thing Hamilton would do back in the mclaren days in qualifying. Just take the shortest distance to the line in qualy, ignoring what happens after as that would be the cool down lap.

I'm referring to the start of the lap, not the end. The red line in theory could lead to a higher speed across the line to start the lap. Timing only begins after the line so you are automatically gaining a few thousandths by using extra road to increase your speed before crossing it.

Suspect it's because all of the way over to the left is either bumpy or going off-line ruins the tyres slightly. Dust etc