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Yeah but outperforming JV really isnt that hard nowadays.....
....I'm not saying that I could do it.....just that there are so many drivers out there now who I rate FAR higher than JV...never thought he was all that...but I never expected his performances this year to be so poor either!
Silence is golden when you don't know a good answer.
In this day and age, the truth is that the car, and it's performance is a major factor in the outcome of the race. The romantic concept of a driver wrestling a win away from superior numbers, purely based on heroic actions and determination, is just that, a romantic notion. At the level of F1, most drivers are very (relatively) similar in skills. They are all very good, and all can race a car with consistency.
And teams come and go, no one dominates forever. Before Ferrari, it was McLaren, and Williams before that. True, Ferrari doeas have a nice history in f1. But I wonder how many recall that Ferrari used to define it's history by races other than F1. Targa Florio, leMans...
It's hard to predict the next great drivers.. Shu started his F1 career in a Jordan.....
Personally, I'd give Quick Nick a good, hard look. He's unassuming and quiet, but lately, that man has gotten the most out of his car.
I think that the truth lies in what Prost said about Gilles after his tragedy - "Gilles was the last great driver. The rest of us are just a bunch of good professionals."
What I'm trying to say is that today all the drivers come to F1 after undertaking same routine - gocart, F1600, F3...etc. That is why we don't actually have great talents coming to F1 but only the drivers who have undertaken certain procedure and achieved needed success.
They are all so equalized and anyone could be a champion in superior car. Remember how Mika Salo was superiors in his first race for Ferrari, if he had never bee given a chance people would consider him as not so good driver simply because he was always driving back of the grid cars.
No matter how infantile it may sound I’d like to see guys like Rossi in F1.
i dont quite agree with u on that given the car .. anyone can be world champ. Then why isnt rubens a world champ. why isnt david coulthard a world champ. i agree that most drivers are around the same standard.. but there are still those who are just slightly better!!
Who to replace Schuey? Well, I would hazard the opinion that Ferrari is NOT the place the next great champion would want to be in the post Schumacher era (I would have said this last year too) - when Schuey goes, you can be pretty sure that many of his close team will call it a day. Also, I don't doubt that the MS contribution in making the Ferrari a great car is not insignificant.
How many drivers with real class out there now? Kimi, Alonso - maybe Button. Heidfeld is doing a great job, but does he have that bit extra? Webber - he is either better than he has looked this year, or Heidfeld has smashed the myth. Montoya - a real race driver, but maybe not an F1 champ with the others around. Perhaps Luizzi will have the calibre to make an impression in a couple of years.
I do believe that MS is a great champion and has systematically ensured that he has the equipment to do the job - he has also used that equipment superbly well. Perhaps I am dreaming, but when the Ferrari was dominant, Schuey's team mates seemed closer to him; when the car needs the driver to give that little bit extra - then he leaves them floundering in his wake. He may have had an easy time lately, but when he has to he can drive out of his skin.
So, too could Mika Hakkinnen - looks like Kimi & Alonso are made of the same stuff too.
i agree, in those situations where just driving isn't enough is were real champs shows their talent, look kimi's laps after the accident, he drove very fast with the car so bad, like a world champ, so future will tell us.
jaslfc wrote:i dont quite agree with u on that given the car .. anyone can be world champ. Then why isnt rubens a world champ. why isnt david coulthard a world champ. i agree that most drivers are around the same standard.. but there are still those who are just slightly better!!
Rubens cares about money more than he does about moral and that is why he never even tried to be champion. He is paid not to win and that is what he was doing just like Irvine. Coulthard also made similar "who'll be first" pre-race and pre-season agreements so he is pretty much in same category with Rubens.
With reluctance, I have to agree that Shu is the best in Formula One today. Ovbiously, I'm not a Shu fan, but he's just the best in so many categories. His political acumen, consistency, being able to save his car, having incredible racecraft, his ability to cut quick laps in all scenarios.. rain, outlaps, qualifying, and during the race, is awesome. He makes the occasional mistakes ( usually under pressure), and there are some who sometimes beat him at certain disciplines.. like Montoya or Truli, or Kimi during qualifying. He's just such a well rounded driver, and a tough act to beat during the entire race weekend.
I wouldn't want to be his immediate appointed replacement, because comparisons will be made, and I expect that whoever follows cannot come close in accomplishments.
My opinion is that only Kimi has enough tools to satisfy, nay, placate the Tifosi.
I wouldn't want to be his immediate appointed replacement, because comparisons will be made, and I expect that whoever follows cannot come close in accomplishments.
Why don't they just compare his previous performances, to this years performance and you will soon discover (as you til your head down and peer at your shirt) that you have infact dribbled all over yourself !!
Open your other eye and you will discover that you have done nothing but contradict yourself. All one has to do is compare MS replacement, to his 2005 performance AND then if you really want to get technical, you will see that MS "so call" skills have not shone through this year. When you look at it, MS success can only ever be attributed his designers, strategist and and and and his team mate !!
MS is like Orange juice......The orange (MS) gets all the credit and "slime" light on the labelling but its the sweeteners (designers, team mate...etc) that are doing all the work to make the orange taste like an orange.
