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Now i'm even more "pissed off". Leclerc was going for a lap time comparable to what RB drivers were doing. Perez inlap was 0.2s quicker for context.
If he didn't --- up the setup friday...
Nothing to do with Friday, at least for Leclerc. He's not comfortable with the car when it's on the edge in extreme downforce conditions. He set his car up better for the race, but Sainz had the position. In the event of damaging the car, it only makes sense for the driver with damage to step aside - like Leclerc did in Zandvoort. Last time I checked, tyres are also part of the car but Sainz didn't want to move - which is ok, since tyres were about to be changed in any case.
It was clear as day both were losing a lot of time all of a sudden and the team simply had to respond. And again, what they decided on Friday affected their race on Sunday - just like Silverstone. It's very disappointing they missed their chance to position themselves to keep fighting for the win.
Leclerc himself said he went in the wrong direction setup wise and had to copy the base Sainz setup. He can't afford to lose one day like that with a car like the SF 23 that he clearly hates and is not comfortable with.
According to Duchessa staying behind was worth 0.3s in Monza.
I’m going to caveat what I’m about to say with the following: as Ferrari, we should be always in the fight to win and nothing but victory is good enough. We don’t show up to get podiums or be best of the rest, or put on a brave show etc. So this season has been an unmitigated disaster and we can never be satisfied with these small breadcrumbs of relative improvement while we’re still so far away from the ultimate pace.
That said, it’s worth also noting the calibre of the opposition in exactly the same situation. Until very recently, everyone saw Mercedes as having the best team, the best technical expertise, the best management etc - and everything they did was genius and much cleverer or more advanced than anyone else (eg the armchair analysis of their “more developed” looking floor edges or zero pods etc).
And yet look at this quote and tell me who said it, Russell or Sainz:
“We need to understand why we have such a delta between our higher and lower downforce package.”
Both teams are struggling with exactly the same issue in these regs - albeit in reverse - where they have peaks and valleys (and where neither have peaks high enough to beat Red Bull). So when we talk about whether Ferrari’s technical staff are good enough, or if their simulator/wind tunnel/CFD is advanced enough etc. we need to remember that it is no worse than what was, until very recently, the invincible, gold standard squad.
Just to be clear the person behind multiviewer cleared up that he was referring to Sainz moving under braking, which is obvious but the way the tweet is worded makes it look as if they were referring to Leclerc
Damn, I wasn't even aware that direction change was under braking. And people deny Sainz fights Charles harder than any other driver
And on top of that, Sainz sr and his comments What a toxic helicopter father
Yeap totally agree, this is not what a teammate must do at 1st and reminds me the cloud in Max brain when Ricardo was trying to pass him that ended to both crashing. I hope this will not be repeated again in upcomming races.
I cannot imaging what lolipopman will do in his funny video for this race, i suppose Sainz will be FIA referee also in it
Damn, I wasn't even aware that direction change was under braking. And people deny Sainz fights Charles harder than any other driver
And on top of that, Sainz sr and his comments What a toxic helicopter father
Yeap totally agree, this is not what a teammate must do at 1st and reminds me the cloud in Max brain when Ricardo was trying to pass him that ended to both crashing, even though i understand Leclerc frustration, he must not do this in the last laps because his teammate was more consistent this weekend. I hope this will not be repeated again in upcomming races.
I cannot imaging what lolipopman will do in his funny video for this race, i suppose Sainz will be FIA referee also in it
OK，it was gone，we should pay attention to the next race and season
although I am really dissatisfied with the team，teammates，the VD of car and its like，I have seen so much coincidence on lec, like the ce in Bahrain and next Saudi，like the tow in aus，like the rear suspension in spain，like the pr in monaco，what I wanna say is that it is normal for lec to do something abnormal like lewis in 2010～2012，ayton in 92.
actually some fans called lecfosi（if it have）may also become overly suspicious and on the edge，they may overreact to any news concerning about team politics，understeering car（may be very difficult to modify，but is not the most important），Santanderd PR.
lec ' overdrive style cannot comfort to SF-23, due to this not-working suspension, the VD, the tyre deg, cannot support his push in first spin, and increase his error rate in flying lap，sometimes，he have to use Carlos setting up and slower a bit，while pr in Spain ignore this and take some action to advocate Carlos should be privileged，his opinion should be respected，and Charles may be fast but unstable and unwise in strategy. but for lecfosi, they track his tr，just find some key decision lec made was true，but the communication efficiency and strategy team is horrible. and then someone may question why lec cannot make firm decision，we can only believe your reply，and endless arguments started
lec is a good one，may be so good，following discipline， taking responsibility，maintaining the team， like “stupid”，like diplomat's resignation after race.This image gives the illusion that he's a weak man，and may be Ferrari driver 1 should not like this. but we cannot forget that seb was also like this, without Benetton team like MS, without sponsor Santander like alo, you are just a driver in Ferrari. In Monza, I have seen a struggle lec，a group of lecfosi with righteous indignation，a stronger Carlosin last lapI have seen a real lec，with narcissism， beast，low qulity（honestly I am loving it）. if he can overtake, that is good, but not, any argument form lecfosi is meaningless, in circuit, winner takes all ,is king, victory and point is absolute
for team, especially technical team, how to built a car can work in the most situation is the most important thing
The mankind’s courage and resolution will be witnessed and remembered by stars.
I just don't care anymore in the end. This season, 2024 and 2025 are gone. We won't compete for the WDC which is the only thing that really matters.
Vasseur needs to improve the quality of the Technical Team which is not nearly good enough. There is a lot of work to do to arrive ready for 2026.
Damn, I wasn't even aware that direction change was under braking. And people deny Sainz fights Charles harder than any other driver
And on top of that, Sainz sr and his comments What a toxic helicopter father
If I was a Ferrari driver fighting for a rare podium position this year, at Monza no less, I'd be doing the same thing. Get your elbows out. Both Leclerc and Sainz handled Perez similarly.
I'd expect Verstappen to do the same in a similar situation as well.
I just don't care anymore in the end. This season, 2024 and 2025 are gone. We won't compete for the WDC which is the only thing that really matters.
Vasseur needs to improve the quality of the Technical Team which is not nearly good enough. There is a lot of work to do to arrive ready for 2026.
honestly，very very hard in 2024 and 2025. they should make a practical plan to build a car could work, and win at least 3 in one season， just like rb have done from 2018 to 2020，under this plan，the leadership should also defined.
Ok, under this plan, we pay attention to the timing. In 2024, building a car partly based on the Red Bull design concept（if copy，no opportunity at all，especially you want to win in some comprehensive circuit，forgetting monza），In 2025，building a fake new car because of new regulation in 2026，if fundamental error in the direction of research and development exists ，all of your preparation in advance will fail，TP will leave，maybe including drivers
It's hard get things started. the first thing is Designing a new suspension system to hold the lower limit of racing performance（VD，and tyre deg），at least， I don want to see Charles‘ tr：“tyre is already”， but slower 1s in former laps，after all，pace consistency gained at the expense of speed is meaningless.
The mankind’s courage and resolution will be witnessed and remembered by stars.
I just don't care anymore in the end. This season, 2024 and 2025 are gone. We won't compete for the WDC which is the only thing that really matters.
Vasseur needs to improve the quality of the Technical Team which is not nearly good enough. There is a lot of work to do to arrive ready for 2026.
honestly，very very hard in 2024 and 2025. they should make a practical plan to build a car could work, and win at least 3 in one season， just like rb have done from 2018 to 2020，under this plan，the leadership should also defined.
Ok, under this plan, we pay attention to the timing. In 2024, building a car partly based on the Red Bull design concept（if copy，no opportunity at all，especially you want to win in some comprehensive circuit，forgetting monza），In 2025，building a fake new car because of new regulation in 2026，if fundamental error in the direction of research and development exists ，all of your preparation in advance will fail，TP will leave，maybe including drivers
It's hard get things started. the first thing is Designing a new suspension system to hold the lower limit of racing performance（VD，and tyre deg），at least， I don want to see Charles‘ tr：“tyre is already”， but slower 1s in former laps，after all，pace consistency gained at the expense of speed is meaningless.
So build RB "copy" or at least made own interpretation in order too setup technical team. Find issues inside team. Shuffle people if necessarily. All in 2024.
And then 2025 do essentially what they did in 2021? So in essence endless circle of incompetence. Stability of motivated&excellent engineering people should be PARAMOUNT. Stability for sake stability should not be repeated.
Go drastic with whole hiring policy . Heck go and at least circle engineers inside Ferrari group more offten. bring apprentices trough WEC programme first if u must. There is your loophole how to train and qualify people. Check quality, motivation of people before stepping into F1. Just spitting ideas around.
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