CMC wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 01:01
I expect they'll be able to make the whole car follow one overall "concept" (unlike where they are at the moment), and hopefully it's a better one than the W13 or launch spec W14. I'd be surprised if they don't make a decent step forward in terms of reducing their lap time around any given circuit, but their competitiveness is harder to predict. All teams should come to 2024 with a faster car
than they brought in '23. Even if they can separate themselves from SF, AMR, et al. bringing a title challenge to RBR is quite another challenge. I think on most Sundays we haven't even seen more than 95% of Max/RB19's ultimate pace, and they may have developments they are holding back, either due to budget cap, or the desire not to exaggerate their margin any further than needed. I suspect they are running their engines rather conservatively also.
I'm hopeful, but also prepared for disappointment.
What do you mean by follow one overall concept? You mean like downwash?
organic wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 02:40
[quote=Elite post_id=<a href="tel:1158019">1158019</a> time=<a href="tel:1694123777">1694123777</a> user_id=47186]
What do you guys think the w15 will end up being like then?
It will be the first car this generation made under the complete technical direction of James Allison who has a pretty good track record
Do you think it will be a title contender
or in the same kind of position as this year
I think it'll win multiple races - Barcelona, Silverstone that sorta thing.
An efficient car similar to RB
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If it can win these tracks why don’t you think others?
j_ste wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 04:18
[quote=denyall post_id=<a href="tel:1158033">1158033</a> time=<a href="tel:1694136417">1694136417</a> user_id=46183]
The W15 won't be in for P1 on pace. Merc is two years behind and even if everything goes perfectly there is no magic speed pill. Best to hope is to be only a tenth or two behind and have a chance if RB has an off day or poor setup.
Getting to within two tenths would require a magic speed pill. We still arent totally sure of the full RB speed, right now.
Tis why its hard to predict or hope. Just gotta wait
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Mclaren have made big steps this year which would be encouraging. Though they seem to be following the red bull concept which will hit a performance ceiling surely?
denyall wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 04:31
j_ste wrote:[quote=denyall post_id=<a href="tel:1158033">1158033</a> time=<a href="tel:1694136417">1694136417</a> user_id=46183]
The W15 won't be in for P1 on pace. Merc is two years behind and even if everything goes perfectly there is no magic speed pill. Best to hope is to be only a tenth or two behind and have a chance if RB has an off day or poor setup.
Getting to within two tenths would require a magic speed pill. We still arent totally sure of the full RB speed, right now.
Tis why its hard to predict or hope. Just gotta wait
Agree
Two tenths as a best case assuming Merc has a very deep understanding of the regs and hits the ground already dialed in most of the way. All evidence points towards that NOT being the case come March... I'll keep hoping for that miracle turnaround I've been holding onto for two years.
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I think the engineers under Allison will probably produce a better car then they have the last 2 years. Though it’s all objective as us Merc fans call it bad but Haas fans would call it a rocket….