2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

Alonso had his chance in 2010 to win with Ferrari and blew it by making an insane amount of mistakes in the first half of the season.

[Zynerji]

Alonso had his chance in 2010 to win with Ferrari and blew it by making an insane amount of mistakes in the first half of the season.

IIRC, the 2010 Ferrari was awful following a terrible 2009 concept... Nando evolved that dog through sheer talent.

[dialtone]

Alonso had his chance in 2010 to win with Ferrari and blew it by making an insane amount of mistakes in the first half of the season.

IIRC, the 2010 Ferrari was awful following a terrible 2009 concept... Nando evolved that dog through sheer talent.

No driver can do that… Especially not when going up against prime Vettel and Hamilton. The car wasn’t that bad, Alonso even said it was the best Ferrari he had ever driven at the time. Massa scored plenty of podiums on it in the second half of the season.

[Xyz22]

Alonso had his chance in 2010 to win with Ferrari and blew it by making an insane amount of mistakes in the first half of the season.

IIRC, the 2010 Ferrari was awful following a terrible 2009 concept... Nando evolved that dog through sheer talent.

This is completely wrong. While the RB was the fastest car the 2010 Ferrari was not bad. It was the quickest car in some tracks as well. Moreover, Webber, Vettel and RB were clowning pretty much every race with mistakes, reliability issues, bad pit stops, etc.

Unfortunately, Alonso had one of his worst seasons in terms of consistency.

Specifically:

- Racing incident in the first corner in Melbourne
- False start in China ---> DT
- Binned the car in FP3 in Monaco and couldn't take part in qualifying. Considering Massa ended up 4th a front row was absolutely possible
- Embarrassing performance in Turkey -> Qualified 12th and finished 8th / Massa qualified 8th and finished 7th
- Overtook Kubica by cutting the corner in Silverstone --> DT
- Got it wrong in the first run in Q3 in SPA and thus started 10th. Binned the car in the race after it started raining.


A lot of mistakes considering Alonso usual consistency.

[Z-one]

in 2010，2011，ferrari have a car could work consistantly and normally，but have weakness of aero. We find the aero package was simplifier than redbull and Mac. what I have learned that ferrari have to use wind tunnel in German, in fact, ferrari just follow RB's R&D and lack creativity.

In 2011, Alod Costa left Ferrari and transferred to AMG for some reason, we lost the best engineer in mechanic, chassis and suspension, considering the progression on suspension AMG have made. However someone should be responsible for aero failure was still in ferrari. In 2012, we have a car designed by Fry, with strange front pull rod, Alonso almost win, and gain advantage in 2013 until Silverstone.

when Alonso left ferrari, another clean up started, until 2018, we found the weakness on tyre deg. It is Repeated political battles and team cleansing that lead to the loss of technical engineer in mechanics, suspension and tyres management, which could preserv the lower limits of formula design.

[Vinlarr89]

Exactly what we’ve all been saying. Car suits Sainz, but not leclerc. Leclerc is the stronger driver so Ferrari need to make the car for him.

Before people come at me. RB18 initially suited Perez, red bull soon corrected this bias and hence max now dominates checo.

[scuderiabrandon]

Exactly what we’ve all been saying. Car suits Sainz, but not leclerc. Leclerc is the stronger driver so Ferrari need to make the car for him.

Before people come at me. RB18 initially suited Perez, red bull soon corrected this bias and hence max now dominates checo.

Accordiing to some people on here we aren't allowed to say the car suits one driver more becuase that isn't what Ferrari intended for it to be. Make that make sense for me.

[AR3-GP]

Exactly what we’ve all been saying. Car suits Sainz, but not leclerc. Leclerc is the stronger driver so Ferrari need to make the car for him.

Before people come at me. RB18 initially suited Perez, red bull soon corrected this bias and hence max now dominates checo.

It is only the back-to-back street circuits in the start of the season flattered Perez.

[LM10]

The difference between Sainz in a car which suits him and Leclerc in a car which does not suit him is minuscule. But the other way around Leclerc is way ahead of Sainz. That's been my observation.

Building a car which suits Leclerc's style will therefore always be a better idea.

[dialtone]

Exactly what we’ve all been saying. Car suits Sainz, but not leclerc. Leclerc is the stronger driver so Ferrari need to make the car for him.

Before people come at me. RB18 initially suited Perez, red bull soon corrected this bias and hence max now dominates checo.

Accordiing to some people on here we aren't allowed to say the car suits one driver more becuase that isn't what Ferrari intended for it to be. Make that make sense for me.

I’m positive Ferrari didn’t set out to build an understeery car with high downforce balance problems. They didn’t build this for Sainz.

[scuderiabrandon]

Exactly what we’ve all been saying. Car suits Sainz, but not leclerc. Leclerc is the stronger driver so Ferrari need to make the car for him.

Before people come at me. RB18 initially suited Perez, red bull soon corrected this bias and hence max now dominates checo.

Accordiing to some people on here we aren't allowed to say the car suits one driver more becuase that isn't what Ferrari intended for it to be. Make that make sense for me.

I’m positive Ferrari didn’t set out to build an understeery car with high downforce balance problems. They didn’t build this for Sainz.

Just because it's not what they intended doesn't mean it can't suit one driver more.

[Xyz22]

The difference between Sainz in a car which suits him and Leclerc in a car which does not suit him is minuscule. But the other way around Leclerc is way ahead of Sainz. That's been my observation.

Building a car which suits Leclerc's style will therefore always be a better idea.

This is not about what suits what.

The issue is that Sainz is more "comfortable" with cars that have limitations on the front end, because this way he is closer (or faster based on whom the teammate is) to his teammate. These cars will never be competitive. There is no way a car with massive understeer (and thus lack of downforce) can compete for race wins or the world championship. It's never going to happen. It's absolutely impossible (please don't say the 05 and 06 Renault which was a completely different Formula 1 with different tyres. Alonso drove those cars in a very specific way. Today, the tyres would last half a lap with that approach).

It's critical that Ferrari develop the fastest possible car in terms of downforce, drag and overall balance.

[dialtone]

Accordiing to some people on here we aren't allowed to say the car suits one driver more becuase that isn't what Ferrari intended for it to be. Make that make sense for me.

I’m positive Ferrari didn’t set out to build an understeery car with high downforce balance problems. They didn’t build this for Sainz.

Just because it's not what they intended doesn't mean it can't suit one driver more.

I think it's simply the other way around. I agree with xyz22 on this.

The car in this shape is simply worse off for Charles and Sainz being closer makes him feel better about the world and everyone thinks the car suits Sainz but that's not how it is.

On a related note it doesn't really make sense to say "Ferrari developed the car to suit Sainz" when the final result is clearly not what Ferrari intended, so either Sainz sabotaged the development somehow or the car is simply how it is and Charles is more punished with it than Sainz is because his ceiling is higher.

[Xyz22]

I’m positive Ferrari didn’t set out to build an understeery car with high downforce balance problems. They didn’t build this for Sainz.

Just because it's not what they intended doesn't mean it can't suit one driver more.

I think it's simply the other way around. I agree with xyz22 on this.

The car in this shape is simply worse off for Charles and Sainz being closer makes him feel better about the world and everyone thinks the car suits Sainz but that's not how it is.

On a related note it doesn't really make sense to say "Ferrari developed the car to suit Sainz" when the final result is clearly not what Ferrari intended, so either Sainz sabotaged the development somehow or the car is simply how it is and Charles is more punished with it than Sainz is because his ceiling is higher.

Sainz "likes" cars that have a weak front end because it makes him look better compared to his teammates. At the end of testing he was quite bullish because he probably realized that Leclerc would have struggled with the SF 23. We all know Leclerc reaction after he tried this dumpster fire of a car the first time. He was shocked and depressed.

I have to say thought that Ferrari seem to have invested resources to help Sainz adapt even with the upgrades themselves. We had multiple statements from the management and his father about this, so i don't really know what to think

Example




Did you ever see something similar happening for a driver 0.5s slower than his teammate who was fighting for the world championship?

Binotto was like "Megamind" so i can't exclude he tried everything to make a car in which Sainz would be extremely comfortable.

[scuderiabrandon]

I’m positive Ferrari didn’t set out to build an understeery car with high downforce balance problems. They didn’t build this for Sainz.

Just because it's not what they intended doesn't mean it can't suit one driver more.

I think it's simply the other way around. I agree with xyz22 on this.

The car in this shape is simply worse off for Charles and Sainz being closer makes him feel better about the world and everyone thinks the car suits Sainz but that's not how it is.

On a related note it doesn't really make sense to say "Ferrari developed the car to suit Sainz" when the final result is clearly not what Ferrari intended, so either Sainz sabotaged the development somehow or the car is simply how it is and Charles is more punished with it than Sainz is because his ceiling is higher.

No one is saying the car was developed to suit Sainz, it is a simple observation and listening to the drivers feedback that the car is more suited to Sainz, Ferrari's intentions do not matter.

The comments of the car being developed to Sainz' preferences were made by none other than Carlos Sainz Sr himself.