2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[scuderiabrandon]

Lec had no bad treatment…. The double stack didn’t work well due to Ham in front. Best they could do with the shitty vsc placement.

Perhaps they should have split lec strategy but this way they won.

Mmmm the first stint it was already clear he was going to be sacrificed. On top of the terrible luck with the SC. They could've lt LEC through in the 1st stint to burn off the softs. They did not maximize HIS 1st stint.

They VSC should've boxed before the Mercedes to have a shot at a better result. They could still do more with the strategy. But that is also said in hindsight. I think they were waiting for the a full SC, which I think mos tof us were expecitng anyways, so I can't fault them too much.

[dialtone]

Nah… the 5s gap they asked was for the double stack not sacrifice. LEC was meant to hold position as they were freezing the race like in 2019. Plus he got great tire management that way, his tires were going to last a lifetime, enough to just make the pass on start, plus he probably OKed the soft start.

This was an unlucky race for him and Ferrari despite the win. Both incidents resulted in loss of strategic advantage.

Great drive from both drivers.

EDIT: merc was in front already, had he pitted in vsc he was joining back behind and definitely not passing.

[Vanja #66]

Lec had no bad treatment…. The double stack didn’t work well due to Ham in front. Best they could do with the shitty vsc placement.

Perhaps they should have split lec strategy but this way they won.

He nailed the start and had a better pace (managing to stick behind Sainz and control the gap at all times) on faster tyres in the first stint. Why didn't Ferrari let him through and switch the positions back at the end of the race? Why not go for the fastest possible strategy instead of trying to build a train and hope that the race will go your way?

Instead, they wanted Leclerc to build a gap and slow everyone else down while Sainz was already going slower than possible. That gap and slowing down others got him down to P7 during pitstops and it was pure luck that he got to finish P4 in the end - both with Russell crashing and Max not being able to overtake him in sector 2 on the last lap.

This literally felt like a complete amateur - Vigna - ordered the team to come up with the most conservative strategy for one car to win and do whatever is needed with the other car.

[Rakce]

I think Charles pitting in the vsc for new mediums was the way to go, he could've jumped Hamilton because he was double stacking and pressure Russell while chaising Lando and Carlos.

[dialtone]

Lec had no bad treatment…. The double stack didn’t work well due to Ham in front. Best they could do with the shitty vsc placement.

Perhaps they should have split lec strategy but this way they won.

He nailed the start and had a better pace (managing to stick behind Sainz and control the gap at all times) on faster tyres in the first stint. Why didn't Ferrari let him through and switch the positions back at the end of the race? Why not go for the fastest possible strategy instead of trying to build a train and hope that the race will go your way?

Instead, they wanted Leclerc to build a gap and slow everyone else down while Sainz was already going slower than possible. That gap and slowing down others got him down to P7 during pitstops and it was pure luck that he got to finish P4 in the end - both with Russell crashing and Max not being able to overtake him in sector 2 on the last lap.

This literally felt like a complete amateur - Vigna - ordered the team to come up with the most conservative strategy for one car to win and do whatever is needed with the other car.

Nah. This was same as 2019. Pace differences were irrelevant, all going 1s+ slower than best pace to make the first stint go.

Ferrari didn’t swap because it was never in the plan, the soft was just for the start then LEC was meant to slow everyone down since he needed his tire to last anyway.

They did good, Vigna doesn’t matter on this one, they achieved a 1-2 with Vettel and Lec in similar setup in 2019 and copied it. Unlucky with incidents.

[AR3-GP]

Sainz is the smoothest operator. Seriously I thought the VSC screwed them.

Ferrari made the right decision to leave Leclerc out to buy Sainz another lap at the end but what in the hell did Leclerc do in that last stint? Verstappen nearly passed him.

[JPower]

Nah. This was same as 2019. Pace differences were irrelevant, all going 1s+ slower than best pace to make the first stint go.

Ferrari didn’t swap because it was never in the plan, the soft was just for the start then LEC was meant to slow everyone down since he needed his tire to last anyway.

They did good, Vigna doesn’t matter on this one, they achieved a 1-2 with Vettel and Lec in similar setup in 2019 and copied it. Unlucky with incidents.

Thank you for a reasonable take.

Had Ferrari not won this race, from either driver, he would be asking for heads to roll.

[AR3-GP]

Don Carlos vs Lord Perceval

7 rounds to go.

[Xyz22]

Don Carlos vs Lord Perceval

7 rounds to go.

Carlos will finish ahead easily. Leclerc didn't maximize his results (Bahrein, Saudi, Monza, Zandvoort) when he had the pace. Mix of bad luck and mistakes.

[Rinde]

I don't know whether my opinion is reactionary, so here goes. Sainz is a clever fella, isn't he? He always comes off as thinking driver. I will go as far as saying that he is the better Ferrari driver if you are looking for a calmer, relaxed and mature figure.

[Jambier]

Incredible Sainz!

The modern days Jenson Button

Ferrari needs to keep him, this is a strong team with LEC

Now I hope 2024 will be the year fighting for more victories

[scuderiabrandon]

I go back to something I said yesterday in this thread.

The chronic understeer is costing us more than it has proven beneficial.

Dialling back oversteer is easier than dialling in oversteer. ARB settings, Brake Bias settings and backing off FW angles can dial out oversteer without making big compromises to the overall performance. Trying to improve mid corner rotation usally requires higher rake angles, which costs floor performance, increase in flap angles, which slightly increase drag and extremely limited in how much they can do here. Understeer tends to be less kind on the front tyres aswell

Sainz comlaining about the front tyres being gone at a rear limited circuit tells you what you need to know.

[dialtone]

I go back to something I said yesterday in this thread.

The chronic understeer is costing us more than it has proven beneficial.

Dialling back oversteer is easier than dialling in oversteer. ARB settings, Brake Bias settings and backing off FW angles can dial out oversteer without making big compromises to the overall performance. Trying to improve mid corner rotation usally requires higher rake angles, which costs floor performance, increase in flap angles, which slightly increase drag and extremely limited in how much they can do here. Understeer tends to be less kind on the front tyres aswell

Sainz comlaining about the front tyres being gone at a rear limited circuit tells you what you need to know.

Tells you he was going slow AF.

Ferrari was pretty good this race overall as a car, they had better pace than everyone else in 1st stint. Could it have been better? Yeah but let's be realistic.

Folks just to set things clear: race sims were in 1:38s, race was half at 1:40s. And other half at 1:39s till VSC that spiced things up. A typical 2 stopper turned into a 1 stopper Soft-Hard. It was slow, so slow the soft on LEC, which had 2 more laps than the mediums, was going to go past 25 laps without SC, almost half distance while gapping Russell.

Don't evaluate this race like the others, this is more like Monaco with slightly better passing chances.

[Space-heat]

Lec had no bad treatment…. The double stack didn’t work well due to Ham in front. Best they could do with the shitty vsc placement.

Perhaps they should have split lec strategy but this way they won.

He nailed the start and had a better pace (managing to stick behind Sainz and control the gap at all times) on faster tyres in the first stint. Why didn't Ferrari let him through and switch the positions back at the end of the race? Why not go for the fastest possible strategy instead of trying to build a train and hope that the race will go your way?

Instead, they wanted Leclerc to build a gap and slow everyone else down while Sainz was already going slower than possible. That gap and slowing down others got him down to P7 during pitstops, and it was pure luck that he got to finish P4 in the end - both with Russell crashing and Max not being able to overtake him in sector 2 on the last lap.

This literally felt like a complete amateur - Vigna - ordered the team to come up with the most conservative strategy for one car to win and do whatever is needed with the other car.

They ran conservatively to extend the first stint to stop the Merc 2-stop strategy they wanted to run with their extra set of Mediums (George said as much). The SC was bad timing for LEC, but not letting him stop under the VSC was terrible for his race. Have to hope the update due in Japan (if it is still coming) can fix some of the front-end.

[scuderiabrandon]

I go back to something I said yesterday in this thread.

The chronic understeer is costing us more than it has proven beneficial.

Dialling back oversteer is easier than dialling in oversteer. ARB settings, Brake Bias settings and backing off FW angles can dial out oversteer without making big compromises to the overall performance. Trying to improve mid corner rotation usally requires higher rake angles, which costs floor performance, increase in flap angles, which slightly increase drag and extremely limited in how much they can do here. Understeer tends to be less kind on the front tyres aswell

Sainz comlaining about the front tyres being gone at a rear limited circuit tells you what you need to know.

Tells you he was going slow AF.

Ferrari was pretty good this race overall as a car, they had better pace than everyone else in 1st stint. Could it have been better? Yeah but let's be realistic.

Folks just to set things clear: race sims were in 1:38s, race was half at 1:40s. And other half at 1:39s till VSC that spiced things up. A typical 2 stopper turned into a 1 stopper Soft-Hard. It was slow, so slow the soft on LEC, which had 2 more laps than the mediums, was going to go past 25 laps without SC, almost half distance while gapping Russell.

Don't evaluate this race like the others, this is more like Monaco with slightly better passing chances.

Japan/Qatar/COTA will be horror races due to the front tyre degradation we'll have, unless the upgrades fix it entirely. And people will finally understand why understeer with these fragile Pirellis will never be fast.

And that goes straight back to argument that we need a car more suited to Lelcerc than Sainz. I think it is a very logical argument to make.