2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[dialtone]

Yeah Ferrari has no real chance of front row later, this is a 3rd place 0.5s behind if LEC puts together a miracle.

Sadly Piastri figured out how to lap around here in q2 and ruined my prediction. 0.3s ahead of SAI is a proper lap, and his lap on used softs was also great just 0.4 behind Max.

Anyway car looks good, just slow in s1 which will degrade tires quite a bunch in the race probably.

[jambuka]

Where is all the Mclaren pace coming from ? did they discover something that RB already has but Ferrari/Merc havent ?

[dialtone]

Where is all the Mclaren pace coming from ? did they discover something that RB already has but Ferrari/Merc havent ?

McLaren decided to copy RBR at the start of the year already, their chassis allows for the same sidepods. Ferrari and Mercedes don't have a chassis allowing that.

This allowed McLaren to develop the car towards RBR properly and unlike AMR they are good at development.

[LM10]

Where is all the Mclaren pace coming from ? did they discover something that RB already has but Ferrari/Merc havent ?

Bunch of upgrades. They've changed their car completely two times this season. Basically a B and then a C spec in Singapore. Even to Suzuka they brought upgraded parts again.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Where is all the Mclaren pace coming from ? did they discover something that RB already has but Ferrari/Merc havent ?

Bunch of upgrades. They've changed their car completely two times this season. Basically a B and then a C spec in Singapore. Even to Suzuka they brought upgraded parts again.

B was meant to A at the start of year so not quite as startling as it first seems. The Austria spec was what the car should have been at beginning of ‘23.

[scuderiabrandon]

Where is all the Mclaren pace coming from ? did they discover something that RB already has but Ferrari/Merc havent ?

Bunch of upgrades. They've changed their car completely two times this season. Basically a B and then a C spec in Singapore. Even to Suzuka they brought upgraded parts again.

B was meant to A at the start of year so not quite as startling as it first seems. The Austria spec was what the car should have been at beginning of ‘23.

They've still had to use the money to bring 2 revised versions of their car. This is what surprises me.

No surprise we can't develop given the chassis constraints. There is so much performance left on the table for us.

[dialtone]

Ferrari new floor worked great though, the car isn't a mess of stability in fast corners, it's slow but not unpredictable.

[scuderiabrandon]

Ferrari new floor worked great though, the car isn't a mess of stability in fast corners, it's slow but not unpredictable.

Absolutely true!

They need to find pace though, given the car will be completely different next year, you might aswell try and find ways to add performance.

[organic]

Looking at the onboard the car seems more driveable than before. Probably due to the new floor - the rear seems settled. The deficit here was just being slow, but when things are closer it should allow the drivers ie Leclerc to push more. The first race where the car seems like this at a higher speed track and Leclerc can put 3 tenths into sainz.

They need to take these learnings with the floor design and actually apply them for next year's chassis. Feels like often they learn things and then implement the opposite

[Sevach]

Bunch of upgrades. They've changed their car completely two times this season. Basically a B and then a C spec in Singapore. Even to Suzuka they brought upgraded parts again.

B was meant to A at the start of year so not quite as startling as it first seems. The Austria spec was what the car should have been at beginning of ‘23.

They've still had to use the money to bring 2 revised versions of their car. This is what surprises me.

No surprise we can't develop given the chassis constraints. There is so much performance left on the table for us.

Ferrari (and others) dumping this season and car as a lost cause might have something to do why Mclaren has so much more upgrades, Mclaren will probably run a direct evolution of their current car in 2024.
For now, this is decent, this is a strong Mclaren and Red Bull track and one that Ferrari normally wouldn't perform... being solidly ahead of Mercedes and sniffing Mclaren is decent.

I hope the 24 Ferrari hits the ground running and it's a big step.

[jambuka]

Hope Vasseur produces F2003GA level car for 24.

[Sevach]

Sector 1 is the problem, peak downforce and changes of direction.

[ferrarifire]

Possibly Ferrari might have gone for more race set up than the qualy considering the tire degradation..we will get the full picture of McLaren gain tomorrow

[organic]

Possibly Ferrari might have gone for more race set up than the qualy considering the tire degradation..we will get the full picture of McLaren gain tomorrow

Indeed Leclerc says they're not concerned about having too much degradation.

"Tire degradation hasn't been a problem for us so far and we believe it may not be a problem in tomorrow's race either. We will have to be careful about overheating, which is important on this track. So it will be a question of tire management".

[Xyz22]

The FP2 data didn't lie. This car is slower than the F175 in specific areas, even post TD and the garbage floor brought in France.