2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

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Perez trying his best to ruin everyones quali lap. Verstappen, Sainz and Hulkenberg all had incidents where Perez impacted them. Verstappen into the final corner, Sainz in the 13-16 complex and Hulkenberg into turn 1. :D Hulkenberg locked up and missed Q2 because if it.

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Can’t believe how many bumps this track has! And I think it got repaved last year? It didn’t use to be so bumpy during 2012-2019 I think…

It’s going to get into Sebring’s level of bumpiness in a few years without repavement…
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 00:27
Also, warm temps and big wing requirements just seem to make the merc come alive in general.
Less emphasis is put on floor generated DF!
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AMG.Tzan wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 00:48
Can’t believe how many bumps this track has! And I think it got repaved last year? It didn’t use to be so bumpy during 2012-2019 I think…

It’s going to get into Sebring’s level of bumpiness in a few years without repavement…
it got progressively worse each year.

The ground in that part of the country can move around a lot with thermal cycling over the course of a year. They would need to rip the track up and take preventative measures to solidify the soil.
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Holy moly fabrega turned out to be right about aston martin at this track. What the hell happened there?
Hate sprint weekends because you know the order is not really representative. Great job charles for sticking it on pole. i dont think the ferrari belonged there at all. It shall be evident tomorrow and sunday me thinks.

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Hammerfist wrote:Holy moly fabrega turned out to be right about aston martin at this track. What the hell happened there?
Hate sprint weekends because you know the order is not really representative. Great job charles for sticking it on pole. i dont think the ferrari belonged there at all. It shall be evident tomorrow and sunday me thinks.
Ferrari won’t win the race but was very good through the lap and belonged there for sure. Car looked very good through the esses as well considering the lower DF setup and even their used tire attempts were good.

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falonso81 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 00:13
Charles must hold the record for lowest turnover of poles into victories. I mean, even Sergio has more victories than him.
It's weird because Ferrari have had a good qualifying car but a horrible race car for a lot of his time there..

or one could also say that this is what happens when you sometimes put cars on pole that don't belong there.

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DGP123 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 00:02
Max balls it up.

Leclerc pole
Norris impressive 2nd
Ham on third
Sainz 4th
Max 5th
The McLaren has been faster than the Ferrari in most of the races since Austria so in my opinion Norris should be on pole, not Leclerc.

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deadhead wrote:
falonso81 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 00:13
Charles must hold the record for lowest turnover of poles into victories. I mean, even Sergio has more victories than him.
It's weird because Ferrari have had a good qualifying car but a horrible race car for a lot of his time there..

or one could also say that this is what happens when you sometimes put cars on pole that don't belong there.
First half of last season the car was good on both but had reliability issues with the engine. Then the car was compromised by TD39 and still is. If the car is on pole in a season where the RB19 is around with Max, it belonged there.

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deadhead wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 01:45
DGP123 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 00:02
Max balls it up.

Leclerc pole
Norris impressive 2nd
Ham on third
Sainz 4th
Max 5th
The McLaren has been faster than the Ferrari in most of the races since Austria so in my opinion Norris should be on pole, not Leclerc.
How does race pace earn someone a qualifying position?
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Hammerfist wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 01:10
Holy moly fabrega turned out to be right about aston martin at this track. What the hell happened there?
Hate sprint weekends because you know the order is not really representative. Great job charles for sticking it on pole. i dont think the ferrari belonged there at all. It shall be evident tomorrow and sunday me thinks.
Yeah. It sure would make things more interesting if they got rid of parc ferme and were allowed to make set-up changes between quali and the race.....

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I was sitting pretty much on the braking point at T12 today. I noticed that the rear end of the Haas cars were bouncing noticeably as soon as they braked. It was strange and not something I really noticed on the other cars.
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Q3 is what happens when the cars are equal and drivers feel the pressure.

Congrats to Leclerc.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 05:42
Q3 is what happens when the cars are equal and drivers feel the pressure.

Congrats to Leclerc.
Nope, but thanks for trying again with a baseless oneliner..
On the other end of that spectrum: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... at-austin/

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Alexf1 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 06:41
PlatinumZealot wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 05:42
Q3 is what happens when the cars are equal and drivers feel the pressure.

Congrats to Leclerc.
Nope, but thanks for trying again with a baseless oneliner..
On the other end of that spectrum: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... at-austin/
Hopefully you can recognize the credibility of said article goes to zero the moment you read the second sentence...
Without Max Verstappen’s deleted final Q3 lap (due to track limits at Turn 19) it would have been on pole regardless
Obviously not, if Max didn't leave track he wasn't going to gain those 0.005 that he beat LEC to pole with.

RBR has to run the car higher and that hurts them for sure, but it's not like the rest of the grid is enjoying the bumps or wouldn't benefit from running lower like RBR has been able to for 2 years.

Anyway the race will be a different story.

EDIT: the more I keep reading the article and the less accurate it is... Towards the middle it says that there's comparable wing between RBR and Ferrari, but Ferrari has typically run less rear wing than everyone at any track, for no better reason that they can't load the rear too much because of the weak front end. They had the least wing in Monza and Suzuka to name 2 recent tracks, but also had less wing in Qatar, even posted a picture of that wing comparison that was extremely easy to see with a practically vertical rear flap for RBR.