2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

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Re: 2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

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Spoutnik wrote:
19 Oct 2023, 08:09
Fabrega was right
What a nightmare for Aston

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What a great second debut for Ricciardo this year in the AT04 compared to Yuki! #-o
With all his experience in F1, he is much slower than Liam Lawson who took over from Ricciardo as a rookie.
Liam adapted to the car very quickly and immediately drove good sessions. And Ricciardo with his eternal big smile?
He was brought into SAT as the great savior. Well, when are we going to see that?
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Leclerc lost 0.35s and 0.26s to Max and Lando respectively in T19 and the short following straight coming into T20 in his fastest last run, by driving extremely overcautious in T19. Crazy to think there are people who think Ferrari didn't have the car for pole, keeping in mind the fact that Charles matched Max purple time on S1 and even S3, which was illegal from Max.
Leclerc also completely off the apex overshooting the braking into T12. Charles made the best of his car in T1 admittedly, utilizing performance advantage under hard braking to slow corners Ferrari has had for most of the year.
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Alexf1 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 06:41
PlatinumZealot wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 05:42
Q3 is what happens when the cars are equal and drivers feel the pressure.

Congrats to Leclerc.
Nope, but thanks for trying again with a baseless oneliner..
On the other end of that spectrum: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... at-austin/
Although the general Idea is right (red bull didn't have their usual advantage, at least over single lap), but this very article represents a great example of very poor quality journalism.
Verstappen takes a big chunk of time out of both cars through Turn 1, but thereafter, the Ferrari is significantly faster down the hill and through Turn 2 and along the short straight which follows, travelling around 3km/h faster for a long distance.
LMAO, this is 'legendary' Mark Hughes. Verstappen overshoot his braking, went too deep, of course he gained a bit on the entry, but lost all of that and more on the exit. It's not Ferrari who were 'significantly faster' down the gill, it was direct consequence of Max mistake in T1 where he lost 0.15 to Charles..
When looking at a breakdown in how Verstappen’s lap compared to those of the top two on the grid - Charles Leclerc’s Ferrari and Norris’ McLaren - the Red Bull gets its (ultimately deleted) pole almost solely from a huge advantage at the Turn 11 hairpin.

Neither Norris nor Leclerc were clean through there, both taking a little too much apex kerb, caught out by how much more their cars rotated than they were expecting.
Same here. Max just braked quite a bit later than both, gained a lot of time on the entry but lost most of it on the exit, especially compared to Charles. Hitting kerb in T11 didn't affect Charles lap time much. In fact he stepped on the full throttle much earlier than Max and their minimal speed was the same at 79, as opposed to 72 for Norris, who made a mistake indeed(for his car, Ferrari seemed to be better on the kerbs). This is a classic example of different approaches, with very similar final result. Charles made bigger and more obvious mistakes in T12 and also T19, which was his poorest corner(lost 0.18s to his previous run instead of improving on improved track), which should've been an ultimate prove Ferrari were indeed fastest on merit. No single word from Hughes about that. I honestly feel for people who pay for these articles and such 'journalism'. Hughes is good at putting a lot of words together, but very poor in actual analyzing.

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These analyses are quite pointless. Maybe Leclerc was way slower in T19 because he cooked the tyres in the previous part of the lap, compared to the first run.

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Tires left:

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Xyz22 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 11:06
These analyses are quite pointless. Maybe Leclerc was way slower in T19 because he cooked the tyres in the previous part of the lap, compared to the first run.
only if you can't read the telemetry, then you start wild guessing as you did there, scattering random thoughts around, which is indeed completely pointless waste of bytes.
if his tires were cooked, he wouldn't have made big gains (to his previous lap) in the final corner, which is exactly what he did gaining a tenth there. He wouldn't have been as fast, again compared with his own previous lap, in the few previous corners as well. Nothing on the telemetry could point to that his tires were cooked coming into T19.

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Looking at the starting grid, it should be a really interesting race to watch.
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Considering how quick alpine and Ferrari were, the qualifying really favoured the low downforce setup. Leclerc easily had pole considering a couple of small errors and 2 tenths left on the table at T19. Their tyre degradation could be suspect however

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For the first time the F1 Academy is live on the Formula 1 channel in about half an hour. Race 1.



Race 2 live in about 6 hours.

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I'm looking forward to the sprint race ruining the GP :)
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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 16:37
I'm looking forward to the sprint race ruining the GP :)
Yes the pace/deg differences will become obvious

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Quite embarrassing that they are so slow in removing cars in F1 Academy. They will take half the race.

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Max seemed under pressure here. Sign of things to come when the cars are more equal.
I think the redbull could have been on pole in the hands of a qualifying specialist like a leclerc or hulkenberg or a truli or russel.
The redbull seemed less dominant here but i would not say the ferrari was head and shoulders the most deserving of pole. It could have gone to mclaren or even Mercedes.
Max's error into T1 made him over drive. Otherwise pole was his.
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ringo wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 17:09
Max seemed under pressure here. Sign of things to come when the cars are more equal.
I think the redbull could have been on pole in the hands of a qualifying specialist like a leclerc or hulkenberg or a truli or russel.
The redbull seemed less dominant here but i would not say the ferrari was head and shoulders the most deserving of pole. It could have gone to mclaren or even Mercedes.
Max's error into T1 made him over drive. Otherwise pole was his.

Under pressure from who?

Even in a 'less dominant' RB this weekend (from 1 sessions running) and fairly big error from Max into T1 - he was still about on par for pole. Track limits at T19 probably worth half a tenth to a tenth at most.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.