2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

[ringo]

Amyone changed their minds on the RB19 after this sesion.

what reason would there be? The result is the same as yesterday: 4 teams within ~0.1s. This is obviously not normal for Red Bull.

Claims the car being the inferior qualifying car at COTA. When it's clearly not the case.
The cars are about equal, if not the redbull having a slight edge.

[Cs98]

Secondly, it's hilarious how many people talk here about drivers going outside track limits without understanding the rules.

Max was 99% out of track limits at T9 on his Q2 lap. I do not know how to post video or image but i rolled back F1 tv footage and saw it a couple of times. Unfortunately the camera is far away.
Edit: Sorry, its T11 i am talking about.

Luckily you only need to be 1% on track to not lose your lap time.

[Spoutnik]

Amyone changed their minds on the RB19 after this sesion.

what reason would there be? The result is the same as yesterday: 4 teams within ~0.1s. This is obviously not normal for Red Bull.

Claims the car being the inferior qualifying car at COTA. When it's clearly not the case.
The cars are about equal, if not the redbull having a slight edge.

I never considered Max as an "amazing" qualifyer, so I think the RB is clearly +0.2/3 faster imo

[AR3-GP]

Amyone changed their minds on the RB19 after this sesion.

what reason would there be? The result is the same as yesterday: 4 teams within ~0.1s. This is obviously not normal for Red Bull.

RB was already being pushed hard in qualy all season by at least 1 team at most rounds. What has changed is the gap between the 2nd,3rd, and 4th teams in qualifying is now razor thin which means you now how 3 teams pushing them in qualy (Fer/Mer/Mcl)

[ringo]

Amyone changed their minds on the RB19 after this sesion. I know it makes things more exciting to pretend the car is slightly weak. But today is enough to show that Max simply did a better job today than he did yesterday.
He makes mistakes like any other driver. Even today's pirouette is enough proof of that. He doesn't need to be defended everytime someone else does a better job.

It seems that whatever happens, you always find a reason to downplay what Max is doing. He made a mistake yesterday into turn 1, locked up and from that point onwards was taking every risk. Too much like he said and he missed turn 19. I think this does show how well Max can judge just how close he is to the limits these days. Maybe he can still learn a bit better to than not take that ultimate risk and get a f.e. About a P3 starting place that was in the cards with 1,5 tenth lost. But that is not what you do in qualy, at least, not Max and likely in this phase of the season that is defendable. In any case, does that show the car is so easy to drive? Today there were engine/shifting drivability issues, wheelspin out of turn 1 for example. This is a thing that has been there with the Honda for years.

If max does well it is the it’s the car playbook. We don’t even need to wait 5 minutes for that. If he does not he himself is ofcourse not as good as most think. Whatever happens with you he almost can’t win.

The car seems easier to drive today. Very telepathic. But i wont get into the exageration of your claims that he cannot win with me. That's not true. My only discussion is that there is zero evidence to sugges the rb19 is the weaker car in qualifying here. Max is great, no doubt, but his fans get carried away with downplaying the car if another driver did a better job. Today we see a better showing from Max than yesterday. His car is in no way behind Mclaren, Ferrari, or worst Mercedes who were less than a tenth behind.

[organic]

Amyone changed their minds on the RB19 after this sesion.

what reason would there be? The result is the same as yesterday: 4 teams within ~0.1s. This is obviously not normal for Red Bull.

Claims the car being the inferior qualifying car at COTA. When it's clearly not the case.
The cars are about equal, if not the redbull having a slight edge.

Lewis made a couple of clear errors and was half a tenth down so without them would've been right there. Max put a pretty much perfect lap together and was pole from 3 others within a tenth. To me that's about as equal performance as you can get in qualifying, unless you think Lewis/Charles have a few tenths over Max which considering the opinions of those in the paddock seems absurd

[Xyz22]

RB will be miles ahead in the race, though.

[Paa]

what reason would there be? The result is the same as yesterday: 4 teams within ~0.1s. This is obviously not normal for Red Bull.

Claims the car being the inferior qualifying car at COTA. When it's clearly not the case.
The cars are about equal, if not the redbull having a slight edge.

I never considered Max as an "amazing" qualifyer, so I think the RB is clearly +0.2/3 faster imo

Max is not an amazing qualifier, he just happens to have teammates 0.5+ sec slower on season average.

[Sevach]

It's football rules, if a small part of the ball is still over the line it's not outside the pitch.

Also, any news on Russell's penalty?

[chrisc90]

Joining the game of potato footage of max in Q2.

[organic]

[nevill3]

No further action for all the drivers that exceeded the out lap delta during sprint qualifying, they were all judged to have been over the minimum time required due to slowing down to avoid impeding other drivers who were on timed laps

[vanburin]

We have 4 drivers, in 4 different teams, within a tenth of pole in a qualifying session, and yet the discussion has torpedoed into absolute mud slinging. Can we just enjoy the fact that the field is converging, at a circuit that has a great mix of low, medium, and high speed corners, and requires a good amount of aero efficiency?

[Sieper]

No further action for all the drivers that exceeded the out lap delta during sprint qualifying, they were all judged to have been over the minimum time required due to slowing down to avoid impeding other drivers who were on timed laps

I agree with that stewarding, but I have a problem with some people going out so much later than others that they come into the position to impede by default.

They have every right to choose when they go, and later is better as there was track evolution, but it is also a bit on them that they came into this position and I think the rule was exactly to prevent this, right?

[nevill3]

No further action for all the drivers that exceeded the out lap delta during sprint qualifying, they were all judged to have been over the minimum time required due to slowing down to avoid impeding other drivers who were on timed laps

I agree with that stewarding, but I have a problem with some people going out so much later than others that they come into the position to impede by default.

They have every right to choose when they go, and later is better as there was track evolution, but it is also a bit on them that they came into this position and I think the rule was exactly to prevent this, right?

The rule is designed to prevent drivers from driving excessively slowly to create a gap to the car in front before starting their own timed lap, several times recently the last few corners have become almost a car park with drivers slowing too much and creating a hazard for others on a timed lap.