2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

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DGP123 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 00:52
Sieper wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 00:49
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22 Oct 2023, 00:46


so in the end, starting him on Softs wasn't too bad a decision. If I got that right, Sainz even was quicker than LEC again those final laps
Yes. Either Sainz pulled off a blinder, or Lec just let it be. Or both.
LEC coasted home. Thought Russell struggling to pass Sainz on those tyres wasn’t a great look for Merc, for all their progress.
Merc is dog slow on the straights. Ferrari is the fastest on the straights. Combine that with Russell just struggling a bit. Russell had his wing open and wasn't even closing in on Sainz. :wtf:
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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:03
DGP123 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 00:52
Sieper wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 00:49


Yes. Either Sainz pulled off a blinder, or Lec just let it be. Or both.
LEC coasted home. Thought Russell struggling to pass Sainz on those tyres wasn’t a great look for Merc, for all their progress.
Merc is dog slow on the straights. Ferrari is the fastest on the straights. Combine that with Russell just struggling a bit. Russell had his wing open and wasn't even closing in on Sainz. :wtf:
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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 00:52
Still plenty of pace in hand in the red bull of Max. Cruising. Be interesting to pull up the lap times. He did some PU assessment on the last lap and was 1-2seconds faster than most according to commentators.
He had saved tires from lap1. Even when Lewis was still in DRS he already took the strain out of the corners while Lewis was still hugging the inside.

I think Lewis, Norris, Max are the contenders. Max has to pass a lot of people. You could see from Sainz it can be hard. Tracklimits are close here too when the move is marginal.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:02
He didn't blame max in the interview though. He seems to admit going for the gap.
Vanja blamed Max, not Charles. And there was no gap as he needed to go outside TL. But TL seemingly don't apply on lap 1 as we saw with LH, so can't blame Charles.

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Max controlling the pace going by that graphic. hmm. If you made his plot as tall as the others he has over a second in had. Perez and George have the next stoutest plots, they also had a bit more pace in hand.
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RonMexico wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 00:29
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22 Oct 2023, 00:26
I know it wouldn't be fair, but FIA should slap russell with a more servere penalty for overtaking off track than the usual 5s, he's most obviously doing it on purpose and it has to stop at some point, he's making a mockery of racing...
He is a particularly smug and unlikeable character
There clearly seems to be a need for discussion between stewards and MB / GR team to understand why they appear to build this type event into their race strategy.

Feigning innocence now with attempt to blame another driver, stating intention at Monza is building a bigger picture of their behaviour and intent to continue passing off track while deliberately playing the penalty system in place.

Not good enough for MB stated values is it.

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Verstappen was actually the only one in the top 3 who was pushing until the end just enjoying the pace, yet people still say he was just cruising. What were Hamilton and Leclerc doing then, lapping slower/the same as Sainz on heavily degged softs? Hilarious...

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The cars were very close with RBR the 3rd fastest but Max managed his tires better than anyone.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:02
He didn't blame max in the interview though. He seems to admit going for the gap.
Yes he did indeed admit honoustly and fairly that he tried to go for it. I just mentioned that as Vanja was blaming Max for something that even the driver himself sees very differently.

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grubschumi13 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:15
The cars were very close with RBR the 3rd fastest but Max managed his tires better than anyone.
I am also not confident yet Max can still win it. But I almost never have super big up front confidence. Max thinks he has about 0.3 0.4 on the others, but he is unsure if that is enough delta to make a move. I had hoped for Perez to come more through the field today and that wasn’t really happening.

Might be a very good race tomorrow.

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avantman wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:14
Verstappen was actually the only one in the top 3 who was pushing until the end just enjoying the pace, yet people still say he was just cruising. What were Hamilton and Leclerc doing then, lapping slower/the same as Sainz on heavily degged softs? Hilarious...
Lec had nothing to gain by pushing more and Ham was attacking (like Russell) the high speed corners more aggressively than max from lap 1, it was very clear. That costs rubber. I don’t know if for the Merc car this is simply the best compromise? Both drivers were doing it.

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avantman wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:14
Verstappen was actually the only one in the top 3 who was pushing until the end just enjoying the pace, yet people still say he was just cruising. What were Hamilton and Leclerc doing then, lapping slower/the same as Sainz on heavily degged softs? Hilarious...
Max is the only driver who is consistently within 1.39 lap time. Their ability to preserve the tires will give RBR and Max the advantage for tomorrow's race.

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Sieper wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:20
grubschumi13 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 01:15
The cars were very close with RBR the 3rd fastest but Max managed his tires better than anyone.
I am also not confident yet Max can still win it. But I almost never have super big up front confidence. Max thinks he has about 0.3 0.4 on the others, but he is unsure if that is enough delta to make a move. I had hoped for Perez to come more through the field today and that wasn’t really happening.

Might be a very good race tomorrow.
Perez said his mediums were not in good shape from before the start (they picked the worst set for the sprint to save for tomorrow). Then said he damaged the tires pushing too hard in the traffic. I think there is opportunity to have a better race if he manages the pace better at the start of the stint.
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Stellar consistency from Sainz on the last 4 laps.