2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

[Spoutnik]

The R word? Really? It isn't bitter thinking to observe a dynamic between two people. Even watching the post race podium room now Verstappen and Norris don't try to engage with Hamilton in conversation, it's awkward. I'm making the observation that they don't like Hamilton. When did I bring up race?

As far as i have seen Lewis is practically nowhere with relations to other drivers. He had a bit of bromance with Vettel when the latter decided to get onboard the PC and "save the enviroment" train, but otherwise you can rarely see Lewis to mingle with other drivers. So i am really not surprised they are not very interested in Lewis either.

It's an age thingie, Lewis is like the older brother there and those youngster are really not interested in that especially if they are faster than him.

Yeah Norris with his incredible tally of 0 wins and serial bottling is faster than Lewis

[proteus]

The R word? Really? It isn't bitter thinking to observe a dynamic between two people. Even watching the post race podium room now Verstappen and Norris don't try to engage with Hamilton in conversation, it's awkward. I'm making the observation that they don't like Hamilton. When did I bring up race?

As far as i have seen Lewis is practically nowhere with relations to other drivers. He had a bit of bromance with Vettel when the latter decided to get onboard the PC and "save the enviroment" train, but otherwise you can rarely see Lewis to mingle with other drivers. So i am really not surprised they are not very interested in Lewis either.

Agreed but as I see it most drivers could take him or leave him. He's a bit of a loner.

Verstappen sees Hamilton as an enemy for obvious reasons but I also see that in Norris as well. I can only equate that to him being a very loyal friend of Verstappen

Maybe Lewis should try to have better relations with other drivers then? Why is this Landos or Maxs fault?

[Zynerji]

Great race! I think Lando would have won if he would have just held off and boxed for softs and overcut instead of undercut.

Great to watch it play out!

[GrizzleBoy]

Has anyone noticed that despite the car weights going up, the drivers seem to be looking quite unhealthy in terms of weight? Alonso for instance always had a rounded cheek/chin area in recent years, but since these regs started, his face is quite sucked in. Maybe the drivers are just getting older and developing more chiseled features, but they all seem to have lost quite a bit of weight.

[Hammerfist]

I also agree with Lando being more agressive vs HAM, I have noticed it on other occasions aswell.

Mclaren predict their race is with Mercedes, not RB. It's been that way all year.

I don’t know. I think mclaren had a race win on the line and should have defended harder there. I even heard a radio message earlier to Lando where the engineer told him he is racing verstappen. Maybe they did intend to one stop and later changed their minds.

[PlatinumZealot]

I also agree with Lando being more agressive vs HAM, I have noticed it on other occasions aswell.

I dont think its personal. HAM is the one with the target on his back. The last legendary great whale. Whover kills it takes the mantle as the new legend.. It's almoat like when Schumacher came back everbody raced him hard.

[Spacepace]

As far as i have seen Lewis is practically nowhere with relations to other drivers. He had a bit of bromance with Vettel when the latter decided to get onboard the PC and "save the enviroment" train, but otherwise you can rarely see Lewis to mingle with other drivers. So i am really not surprised they are not very interested in Lewis either.

Agreed but as I see it most drivers could take him or leave him. He's a bit of a loner.

Verstappen sees Hamilton as an enemy for obvious reasons but I also see that in Norris as well. I can only equate that to him being a very loyal friend of Verstappen

Maybe Lewis should try to have better relations with other drivers then? Why is this Landos or Maxs fault?

Fault for what? For Norris' and Verstappen's dislike of Hamilton?

[Juzh]

No one can ever expect ver and Ham being any kind of friends after 2021, just not gonna happen. As for the rest of drivers, well it's the way it is, for whatever reason Verstappen has "won over" the field and hamilton didn't, and this is now actually giving tangible benefits because nearly all those drivers are in fast cars.

[Rikhart]

Wow, hamilton could barely get out of his car, he looked like a 70yo man when he got out! Was this a seriously hard race? Most other drivers seemed fine.

[GrizzleBoy]

Wow, hamilton could barely get out of his car, he looked like a 70yo man when he got out! Was this a seriously hard race? Most other drivers seemed fine.

Apparently he doesn't use a drinks bottle and the drivers look unhealthy and shrivelled when the get out of their cars these days. They've all got the Mark Webber look.

[Rikhart]

Wow, hamilton could barely get out of his car, he looked like a 70yo man when he got out! Was this a seriously hard race? Most other drivers seemed fine.

Apparently he doesn't use a drinks bottle and the drivers look unhealthy and shrivelled when the get out of their cars these days. They've all got the Mark Webber look.

Not even talking about his face, more the way he moved. Does he have some sort of injury or something? Looked very unwell, or just completely exhausted, maybe. Saw that in a lot of them in Qatar (understandably so), but here it was just him.

[AR3-GP]

Wow, hamilton could barely get out of his car, he looked like a 70yo man when he got out! Was this a seriously hard race? Most other drivers seemed fine.

If he was suffering in COTA, he would have been in trouble in Qatar.

[Cs98]

The R word? Really? It isn't bitter thinking to observe a dynamic between two people. Even watching the post race podium room now Verstappen and Norris don't try to engage with Hamilton in conversation, it's awkward. I'm making the observation that they don't like Hamilton. When did I bring up race?

The only observable dynamic here is the insistence of Hamilton fans to make him out to be a victim with confirmation bias. Lando and Charles defended reasonably but no more. I recall earlier in the race Leclerc pulled a super late defensive move on Verstappen on the back straight, did you complain about that?

Read my comments again. I've only commented on Norris. I believe he doesn't like Hamilton. Neither does Verstappen. Norris is a loyal friend to Verstappen. I've seen it on track but also by his comments off track. How Norris interacts with Hamilton in a post race as well. Your not even arguing my point. You're implying I am trying to turn Hamilton into a victim.

I would even say most drivers aren't friends with Hamilton as he is hard to relate to due to him being older and hanging around Hollywood types. Norris and Verstappen really don't like him though. I understand why Verstappen sees Hamilton as a foe but I can't see Norris seeing him like that other than his close relationship with Verstappen

You've observed what fits into your narrative and gone with that, making Hamilton out to be a victim (not uncommon) and Ver/Nor in some kind of "friendly cahoots". These guys are professional racers first and foremost, friendship is secondary. All indications from the sprint were that Merc and McL had similar pace and that Max was out of their league. F1 is all about picking your battles wisely and not wasting tyre life battling someone you aren't going to be able to beat. These past couple of years that driver (who isn't worth battling because he's too fast) has been Max. Lando made the best decision for him based on the information he had about the race, he's not there to make the best decisions on behalf of Lewis (or Max).

Nevermind the fact that his fight vs Lewis was not particularly noteworthy at all. Standard pass. Lewis lost a bit of time? Cry me a river, it happens.

[Sieper]

Very logical. He also used the DRS for like 8-10 laps. Wasn’t enough but it was his best chance.

[Spacepace]

The only observable dynamic here is the insistence of Hamilton fans to make him out to be a victim with confirmation bias. Lando and Charles defended reasonably but no more. I recall earlier in the race Leclerc pulled a super late defensive move on Verstappen on the back straight, did you complain about that?

Read my comments again. I've only commented on Norris. I believe he doesn't like Hamilton. Neither does Verstappen. Norris is a loyal friend to Verstappen. I've seen it on track but also by his comments off track. How Norris interacts with Hamilton in a post race as well. Your not even arguing my point. You're implying I am trying to turn Hamilton into a victim.

I would even say most drivers aren't friends with Hamilton as he is hard to relate to due to him being older and hanging around Hollywood types. Norris and Verstappen really don't like him though. I understand why Verstappen sees Hamilton as a foe but I can't see Norris seeing him like that other than his close relationship with Verstappen

You've observed what fits into your narrative and gone with that, making Hamilton out to be a victim (not uncommon) and Ver/Nor in some kind of "friendly cahoots". These guys are professional racers first and foremost, friendship is secondary. All indications from the sprint were that Merc and McL had similar pace and that Max was out of their league. F1 is all about picking your battles wisely and not wasting tyre life battling someone you aren't going to be able to beat. These past couple of years that driver (who isn't worth battling because he's too fast) has been Max. Lando made the best decision for him based on the information he had about the race, he's not there to make the best decisions on behalf of Lewis (or Max).

Nevermind the fact that his fight vs Lewis was not particularly noteworthy at all. Standard pass. Lewis lost a bit of time? Cry me a river, it happens.

You're implying I am making an argument for Hamilton losing time today. My argument is that Norris doesn't like Hamilton