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organic wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 01:55
diffuser wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 01:49
SSJ4 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 00:49


i hate how it's not definitive. also i wonder how much time they wasted on the diffuser winglet and if it will be back
That AMUS article has them saying they had wind tunnel correlation problems.
Merc should build a new wind tunnel methinks

When I reread the article...it actually says ..."The simulations misled us," confirms aerodynamic director Eric Blandin.

Not sure if that means wind tunnel or actually the Simulator, which is old. The new one is being built as we speak. This is a translation from German to English ....

Probably another reason they ran both cars side by side. Get data for better correlation.

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-wkst- wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 10:48
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 09:15
basti313 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 08:49
Designing a new package and not even knowing which one is better after even only one FP is generally very bad...
The upgrades definitely was working better than the old one. The question is why they did setup the floor so high at FP1 and Sprint race? After breaking PF they lowered the floor height and is made a magic.
Parc ferme was after FP1, with barely laps, so they played it safe (quote Krack AMuS). The plank normally has to survive Q + race. In Austin the plank had to survive a race, a sprint race, Q and Q shoot-out at a very bumpy track. HAM and LEC were dqed...

Due to that reason I believe that it was a massive advantage to go lower for the race. Others played it maybe conservative too, but had to live with it. So I wouldn't draw a conclusion if things are better now...
Sadly, this ,might be true. The plank was replaced BEFORE the race. The other thing is 4 planks were tested after the race. Of those, 50% failed the test. You have to believe that the 2nd Merc and Ferrari would have failed the test. How many of the remaining cars would have failed the test? Maybe few played it conservative. The Only teams who's pace, in Texas, we can trust is McLaren and RBR. They actually passed the test.

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Situation will be further complicated with additional updates(if arrives) at Mexico.
Hope we wont land up in a similar situation after Quali.....Alonso running 'Mexico Spec' and Lance running 'Austin Spec' for race :lol: :lol:

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NAPI10 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 15:42
Situation will be further complicated with additional updates(if arrives) at Mexico.
Hope we wont land up in a similar situation after Quali.....Alonso running 'Mexico Spec' and Lance running 'Austin Spec' for race :lol: :lol:
3 fp I think will be enough for test both pilot the upgrades and give feedbacks.

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i hope they're bringing actual upgrades for mexico and not just circuit specific

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SSJ4 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 17:42
i hope they're bringing actual upgrades for mexico and not just circuit specific
The front wing is adjustable, they already have a large number of rear wings for different DF requirements, 2 engine covers for different cooling and several different brake ducts sizes. I doubt it will be site specific but who knows. We'll find out in a couple days.

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SSJ4 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 17:42
i hope they're bringing actual upgrades for Mexico and not just circuit specific
Here's the supposed that list and it's pretty big (might be unnoticeable though)
Austin
  • Sidepod Undercut drag reduction and subsequent floor changes on the top (2024 experimental part)(Likely the Final sidepods changes for 2023)
  • Floor edge and diffuser (2023 part, better upgrade for 2024 with new underside)(Likely the Final floor and diffuser upgrade for 2023)
  • Beam wing (2024 Ready part)
  • Bargeboard (2023 part)
Mexico
  • Circuit specific brakes ducts (2023 part)
  • new front wing and nose (Bahrain spec with legality fix, not sure) (2024 ready part)
  • new (maybe?) front suspension arrangement (2024 experimental part)
  • rear wing upgrade with disconnected top flap (McLaren style) (2024 ready part)
  • Final set-up parts for Austin Upgrade
Brazil
  • rear brake ducts and winglets (2024 ready part)
(list for now, there is upgrade and circuit specific changes coming to every single race from here)
Halo not as bad as we thought

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You have a source for this list, or is this pure speculation?

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Looks pure speculation.

Given that Aston brought a Floor & Sidepods in Austin, there could be New Front Wing. Also, Ferrari & Mercedes have their Halo & Front Wing also contributing aerodynamically which is definitely 1 area of improvement.

The floor is the most important & Aston should be bringing a new Floor to Las Vegas incase they want to compete till the end. Otherwise Goodbye to No. 4 in the Constructor Championship !

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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10537395/
“We can see where we went wrong in terms of upsetting the car balance,” he said.

“We’ve understood why that’s hurt our overall performance. Now, it’s a question of making sure that we don’t make the same mistakes again: it’s certainly been a year of learning.”

Hoping to address its errors, Aston Martin brought its latest batch of upgrades to the United States GP, but their potential was masked by its weekend being derailed by brake problems in FP1.
“We were led in a certain direction by our simulation tools on the aerodynamic side, and we did follow a path that was just the wrong one,” he explained. “I think we have now corrected the issue with the new package.”
Aston Martin performance director Tom McCullough has explained that the team’s main challenge this year has been in chasing a performance window that suits both low and high-speed corners at the same time.

“Ultimately, with this generation of cars, being strong in low and high-speed corners, from a rear ride height optimisation, is a little bit of a challenge without having porpoising, and how close you get to that. That is still the issue now two years down the road for everyone.

“If you look at our car, it hasn't been particularly strong in high-speed corners and low-speed corners [at the same time]. So, we're unable to do one or the other reasonably well, nearly since the start of the year.

“What we're trying to do is have an envelope that allows us to be strong at both lower ride heights and higher ride heights.”

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organic wrote:
25 Oct 2023, 18:02
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10537395/
“We can see where we went wrong in terms of upsetting the car balance,” he said.

“We’ve understood why that’s hurt our overall performance. Now, it’s a question of making sure that we don’t make the same mistakes again: it’s certainly been a year of learning.”

Hoping to address its errors, Aston Martin brought its latest batch of upgrades to the United States GP, but their potential was masked by its weekend being derailed by brake problems in FP1.
“We were led in a certain direction by our simulation tools on the aerodynamic side, and we did follow a path that was just the wrong one,” he explained. “I think we have now corrected the issue with the new package.”
Aston Martin performance director Tom McCullough has explained that the team’s main challenge this year has been in chasing a performance window that suits both low and high-speed corners at the same time.

“Ultimately, with this generation of cars, being strong in low and high-speed corners, from a rear ride height optimisation, is a little bit of a challenge without having porpoising, and how close you get to that. That is still the issue now two years down the road for everyone.

“If you look at our car, it hasn't been particularly strong in high-speed corners and low-speed corners [at the same time]. So, we're unable to do one or the other reasonably well, nearly since the start of the year.

“What we're trying to do is have an envelope that allows us to be strong at both lower ride heights and higher ride heights.”
Good article, thanks

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organic wrote:
25 Oct 2023, 18:02
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10537395/
“We can see where we went wrong in terms of upsetting the car balance,” he said.

“We’ve understood why that’s hurt our overall performance. Now, it’s a question of making sure that we don’t make the same mistakes again: it’s certainly been a year of learning.”

Hoping to address its errors, Aston Martin brought its latest batch of upgrades to the United States GP, but their potential was masked by its weekend being derailed by brake problems in FP1.
“We were led in a certain direction by our simulation tools on the aerodynamic side, and we did follow a path that was just the wrong one,” he explained. “I think we have now corrected the issue with the new package.”
Aston Martin performance director Tom McCullough has explained that the team’s main challenge this year has been in chasing a performance window that suits both low and high-speed corners at the same time.

“Ultimately, with this generation of cars, being strong in low and high-speed corners, from a rear ride height optimisation, is a little bit of a challenge without having porpoising, and how close you get to that. That is still the issue now two years down the road for everyone.

“If you look at our car, it hasn't been particularly strong in high-speed corners and low-speed corners [at the same time]. So, we're unable to do one or the other reasonably well, nearly since the start of the year.

“What we're trying to do is have an envelope that allows us to be strong at both lower ride heights and higher ride heights.”
Hope it will reflect in performance in the next few races [-o<

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
25 Oct 2023, 05:03
SSJ4 wrote:
24 Oct 2023, 17:42
i hope they're bringing actual upgrades for Mexico and not just circuit specific
Here's the supposed that list and it's pretty big (might be unnoticeable though)
Austin
  • Sidepod Undercut drag reduction and subsequent floor changes on the top (2024 experimental part)(Likely the Final sidepods changes for 2023)
  • Floor edge and diffuser (2023 part, better upgrade for 2024 with new underside)(Likely the Final floor and diffuser upgrade for 2023)
  • Beam wing (2024 Ready part)
  • Bargeboard (2023 part)
Mexico
  • Circuit specific brakes ducts (2023 part)
  • new front wing and nose (Bahrain spec with legality fix, not sure) (2024 ready part)
  • new (maybe?) front suspension arrangement (2024 experimental part)
  • rear wing upgrade with disconnected top flap (McLaren style) (2024 ready part)
  • Final set-up parts for Austin Upgrade
Brazil
  • rear brake ducts and winglets (2024 ready part)
(list for now, there is upgrade and circuit specific changes coming to every single race from here)
Thx for that.

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That is an enormous list.

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A new simulator should be ready on a similar date to the wind tunnel, in Building 2, along with a staff restaurant, gym and other amenities, if that helps