2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Xyz22 wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:28
Spoutnik wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 19:43
Alonsismo wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 19:41


Alonso is better on qualy pace
Qualy pace has never been Alonso strong point imo. He's like Max, his comparative advantage is being a pure racer
Max is superfast in quali. The difference is that he has always driven a strong "race" car. For Charles is the opposite (on top of having to deal with understeer all the time thanks to the genius of Binotto Sanchez and Cardile).
Never manage to put it on pole while being teammate with Ricciardo. I just think he's a beast on Sunday, on Saturday he's tremendous but not an all-time great atm imo.

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Spoutnik wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:30
Xyz22 wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:28
Spoutnik wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 19:43


Qualy pace has never been Alonso strong point imo. He's like Max, his comparative advantage is being a pure racer
Max is superfast in quali. The difference is that he has always driven a strong "race" car. For Charles is the opposite (on top of having to deal with understeer all the time thanks to the genius of Binotto Sanchez and Cardile).
Never manage to put it on pole while being teammate with Ricciardo. I just think he's a beast on Sunday, on Saturday he's tremendous but not an all-time great atm imo.
Number of pole is not a good stat in my opinion. Maybe you are just not at your best in the track the car is competitive enough. It's "random" to an extent. His average performance in quali has always been excellent.

Same for some of Charles races where he was having tremendous performance (Imola 21, Turkey 21, Jeddah 21 just to have some examples) but they were ruined because of "external" factors.

Spoutnik
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Xyz22 wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:39
Spoutnik wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:30
Xyz22 wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:28


Max is superfast in quali. The difference is that he has always driven a strong "race" car. For Charles is the opposite (on top of having to deal with understeer all the time thanks to the genius of Binotto Sanchez and Cardile).
Never manage to put it on pole while being teammate with Ricciardo. I just think he's a beast on Sunday, on Saturday he's tremendous but not an all-time great atm imo.
Number of pole is not a good stat in my opinion. Maybe you are just not at your best in the track the car is competitive enough. It's "random" to an extent. His average performance in quali has always been excellent.

Same for some of Charles races where he was having tremendous performance (Imola 21, Turkey 21, Jeddah 21 just to have some examples) but they were ruined because of "external" factors.
I agree with you, but when it's over 3 years it just shows something imo.
I think some of the pole he lost this year/it was super close would not have happen with, let's say Charles at the wheel.

jambuka
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Looks like our race pace is bad. Hopefully 6-7 at least.

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Spoutnik wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:42
Xyz22 wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:39
Spoutnik wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 20:30


Never manage to put it on pole while being teammate with Ricciardo. I just think he's a beast on Sunday, on Saturday he's tremendous but not an all-time great atm imo.
Number of pole is not a good stat in my opinion. Maybe you are just not at your best in the track the car is competitive enough. It's "random" to an extent. His average performance in quali has always been excellent.

Same for some of Charles races where he was having tremendous performance (Imola 21, Turkey 21, Jeddah 21 just to have some examples) but they were ruined because of "external" factors.
I agree with you, but when it's over 3 years it just shows something imo.
I think some of the pole he lost this year/it was super close would not have happen with, let's say Charles at the wheel.
Whether it's Leclerc/Sainz or others, it's the H2H that matters. Norris was so unfortunate to have Ricciardo show up on the 1 weekend when Mclaren could win a race but that's basically the point. You can be the better driver, but your worst circuit can be the one where the car is the fastest.

I think Leclerc is benefitting more from this "experience" than Sainz is, anyway. Easier to learn how to play politics, be uncompromising, and the other stuff, than it is to become faster. Sainz is very good at politics and driving for himself. Leclerc will learn.
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Leclerc said that the Ferraris are free to fight into T1 and no team play. At least that's what he claims anyway

Strange decision

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Well done Ferrari morons, you can sacrifice Leclerc in Singapore but you can't get Sainz to fight Max and keep the P1 for the team
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 22:10
Well done Ferrari morons, you can sacrifice Leclerc in Singapore but you can't get Sainz to fight Max and keep the P1 for the team
I'm speechless. What exactly was their plan?

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inb4 the car handles better without an endplate :)

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Vanja #66 wrote:
29 Oct 2023, 22:10
Well done Ferrari morons, you can sacrifice Leclerc in Singapore but you can't get Sainz to fight Max and keep the P1 for the team
Ver was ahead from the initial launch so not much to be done there.

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So Ferrari is sticking to the 1-Stop it seems.. cannot see that working out for Sainz, but maybe Charles?

Not for the Win obviously, but potentially keep 2nd.

Brave still, if the others 2-stop and there’s a late safety car, they’ll be sitting ducks.

jambuka
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VER HAM will go till the end. Norris probably will have to pit again.

Schippke
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Well, so much for Ferrari’s single stop strategy… but it do be like that sometimes.

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Be interesting to see how HAM fares in the last few laps on meds

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Won’t catch HAM unless the balance between medium and hard changes in the next few laps