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They started 12 vs 16
Fine maybe Ocon is not so obvious, but vs Perez it is.Oleo wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 22:27They started 12 vs 16
After corner 1 they were positioned 18 vs 8. Ocons starting position and poor start allowed him to go slowly into turn 1, where everyone got caught out thanks to oil and dirt and then pass everyone on the inside.
Not really a fair comparison, is it?
12 to 6 vs 16 to 4 = poor race
or
18 to 6 vs 8 to 4 = fine recovery drive.
No Sainz was just a bit slow today. Probably not helped by the engine temp behind other cars, but he didn't have the pace to keep up with the front runners. It was already quite evident in the FP3 race sim as well.AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 22:35Fine maybe Ocon is not so obvious, but vs Perez it is.Oleo wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 22:27They started 12 vs 16
After corner 1 they were positioned 18 vs 8. Ocons starting position and poor start allowed him to go slowly into turn 1, where everyone got caught out thanks to oil and dirt and then pass everyone on the inside.
Not really a fair comparison, is it?
12 to 6 vs 16 to 4 = poor race
or
18 to 6 vs 8 to 4 = fine recovery drive.
On lap 7 after the first SC, Perez and Sainz are nose to tail in 16th and 17th. By lap 24, Perez is leading the race by 10 seconds and Sainz is something like 13 seconds behind Perez in the same car that Leclerc was using to trouble Verstappen (give or take).
Did Sainz have mechanical issues? Even if he started P2, he wouldn't have been a threat to anyone of the podium finishers with his pace today.
My point is that the tyres were not ruined, graining is different than wear. That probably would have cleared in a few laps and then Max could have continue with normal speed. Red Bull decided it was better to box, than to wait for those few slow laps, which is ok. But the point is that classic wear logic not applies here. Eg: when he takes too much out of the tyres at the beginning, then gets slow by the end of the stint. Graining is not as straightforward.dialtone wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 21:38Yeah but that’s neither here nor there. Max ruined his tires by pushing to get past the 2s gap from Charles while in clean air, he didn’t ruin them because he was in traffic or whatnot. Normally in race he just takes off but here the balance of the car wasn’t as good as Ferrari. So it’s entirely reasonable to think that with older tires, even if hards, he might have struggled more than charles on newer.Paa wrote:I don't know what would have happened, just jumping in saying that Max had to pit early in the first stint, due to graining, not wear. It is possible that he had 5 - 10 - 15 more laps in his mediums, we don't know how many. It is just impossible to guess his hard stint tyre life based on the first stint length. As he got no graining on the hard compound.dialtone wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 18:19
5 lap difference is huge here not small. It’s 10% of race distance and Max had to pit after 17 laps on mediums so 5 laps are 20-30% of tire life.
Max needed 3 laps to get out of LEC DRS with the tire advantage.
And to top it all off Max had tires that were 5 laps older and lived through a lot of traffic and certainly wouldn’t have been healthy after 30 laps on them towards the end of the race.
Yeah it´s a world level conspiracy to harm your favourite driver
What tendency? Can you please provide some example?
Sainz, Alonso, Verstappen and Leclerc, all of them missed the braking point at T1. Not everyone obviously, but when so many top drivers miss same braking point, there must be something... wich was oil from some previous incident as someone did already explain
If only he didn't throw 60+ point on his own... Would have been a P3 in WDC for Ferrari, which would align with overall car performance this year, even with the wall being a clown show more often than not...
Of course, the driver who ruined Ferrari chances to be 3rd team is the Ferrari driver with more points, period!
