Aston Martin AMR24 Speculation Thread

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Article with quotes from Tom McCullough about DRS effect

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10557515/

The interaction between the whole back of the car, and the loading on the diffuser, the beam wing, the rear wing, the main plane, the flap, the brake ducts, the interaction of all that's obviously quite different to previous generation cars.

"And getting a stable aerodynamic platform that we don't have porpoising and all those other things that we don't want, getting lots of load, but getting it that when you open the DRS that you have as big as reach as possible is the aim.

"We didn't have a particularly strong one to start off with, and we were just systematically developing to increase that whilst trying to retain stability."

McCullough says it has not been easy to optimise the DRS switch given the compromises involved.

"So all those elements of the back of the car are linked," he said. "There's only so much you can do within the regulations. You're always trying to produce downforce and not have too much drag.

"But then on top of that, to get the DRS switch and get all those things working well, it is a challenge for the aerodynamic teams.

"And that's why you've seen quite a lot of development in that area, not only by ourselves, but by other people too."

Regarding the wing trialled in Abu Dhabi, he said: "For us, it was important to get it on the car the end of this year just to correlate what we see in the wind tunnel and CFD, and we did some cross-car, cross-session compares, and the wing is performing well."

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https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... enge-ahead

not as bullish messaging as last year, although it's a common theme among the other teams as well. Less smoke and mirrors at Ferrari too, so far.

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https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... enge-ahead

It seems the messaging is not as bullish as last year, although it's a common theme among the other teams as well. Less smoke and mirrors at Ferrari too, so far.

I would say merc are the only ones more bullish about their off-season progression than last year.. last year it was eery silence from them

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Is the cooling of the engine made by mercedes or AM has their own?

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Is the cooling of the engine made by mercedes or AM has their own?

They make by self,Mclaren also.

[KimiRai]

The reason for Aston Martin’s slide was “a very aggressive development philosophy in-season,” Fallows said. “We decided to try to be quite brave, quite risky, in some instances, in terms of the speed of delivery of these parts.”

Looking back, Fallows said, the team would probably choose not to make some of the decisions it did, but it valued the learning experience.

“Towards the end of the season, we used some races essentially as glorified test sessions in many ways,” he said, adding, “We felt that was necessary to understand the car and to understand what we want to do for next year.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/spor ... eason.html

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The reason for Aston Martin’s slide was “a very aggressive development philosophy in-season,” Fallows said. “We decided to try to be quite brave, quite risky, in some instances, in terms of the speed of delivery of these parts.”

Looking back, Fallows said, the team would probably choose not to make some of the decisions it did, but it valued the learning experience.

“Towards the end of the season, we used some races essentially as glorified test sessions in many ways,” he said, adding, “We felt that was necessary to understand the car and to understand what we want to do for next year.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/spor ... eason.html

Can they blame the rate of development when Mclaren and Mercedes basically overhauled the entire car and made massive steps forward? Its worrying that in the post season interviews, nobody from Aston (Krack, Mccullough or Fallows) has explicitly mentioned anything about their floor. It was the main weakness and why they were slow in fast corners and inefficient.

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The reason for Aston Martin’s slide was “a very aggressive development philosophy in-season,” Fallows said. “We decided to try to be quite brave, quite risky, in some instances, in terms of the speed of delivery of these parts.”

Looking back, Fallows said, the team would probably choose not to make some of the decisions it did, but it valued the learning experience.

“Towards the end of the season, we used some races essentially as glorified test sessions in many ways,” he said, adding, “We felt that was necessary to understand the car and to understand what we want to do for next year.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/spor ... eason.html

Can they blame the rate of development when Mclaren and Mercedes basically overhauled the entire car and made massive steps forward? Its worrying that in the post season interviews, nobody from Aston (Krack, Mccullough or Fallows) has explicitly mentioned anything about their floor. It was the main weakness and why they were slow in fast corners and inefficient.

I think they know pretty exactly how good or bad their floor is compared to the opponents. They won’t go into details in interviews however. All they give are pretty basic or general informations.

What I am waiting for however is their facility video update. Guy Austin said that there will be another one before Christmas. Production should move into building 3 in January.

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Can they blame the rate of development when Mclaren and Mercedes basically overhauled the entire car and made massive steps forward? Its worrying that in the post season interviews, nobody from Aston (Krack, Mccullough or Fallows) has explicitly mentioned anything about their floor. It was the main weakness and why they were slow in fast corners and inefficient.

I have no idea and am speaking from a total lack of information, but in my opinion what I can infer from his fairly vague comments is that maybe Dan put too much pressure on the guys when Aston was not yet ready to follow such aggressive development, and that made them go down the wrong development path. Not sure if that is really the case anyways.

What I am waiting for however is their facility video update. Guy Austin said that there will be another one before Christmas. Production should move into building 3 in January.

Uploaded today in fact haha. As you said, all model shops will move to building 3 on January

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Not really related to the 2024 car but apparently, plans are being made to locate some of Honda's engine production and research at the new Silverstone campus. This would be corroborated by comments from journalists on early tours of the new Aston Martin factory, where some already suspected that there was an area in the factory that appeared to be engine related. More information in the honda thread

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Formu1a.uno article about AMR24 . Doesn't seem to be a huge amount if any that's exclusive/new

https://formu1a.uno/aston-martin-2024-c ... -e-chiara/

Aston Martin 2024: poor understanding of the AMR23 but the development path is clear

After an amazing start that exceeded expectations, Aston Martin experienced a difficult time from mid-season onwards, finding performance only in the last races of the year. Fernando Alonso and team principal Mike Crack keep their expectations low for 2024, and hope to avoid the mistakes made in the season just ended.

Krack seems to be tempering expectations:

We understood the car by the end of the season , but it would be wrong to say that we understood absolutely everything. We know what we want to do for 2024 and the direction we need to go, but that doesn't necessarily mean that when the 2024 season opens in Bahrain we will be fighting for victory .

And Alonso echoes that

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"With this generation of cars," analyses McCullough (above with Dan Fallows), "being competitive in both slow and fast corners is quite a challenge in terms of ride height, because there's always the risk of the porpoising phenomenon coming back. Everyone faces this problem, even after two seasons of development."

"Our car has never been strong at the same time in fast corners and in corners negotiated at low speed. Each time we had to change a lot of parts from one race to the next - those for low speeds, those for high speeds, efficiency, and so on."

"For next year, we're trying to develop a car that we can take to any circuit by simply changing the rear wing, the front wing, and that is competitive with high or low trim."

This winter, Aston Martin is unlikely to make as dramatic a leap forward as it has with the AMR23. Time will tell whether the latter was a fluke or the start of a prestigious progeny.

https://f1i.autojournal.fr/magazine/mag ... -technique

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The target with AMR24 should be IMHO stability and an easy set up window without doing grey areas (front wing flex).

Regular high points (P6-P7) with an occasional podium on merit, and ability to develop into a serious every race podium contender and maybe race winner in 2025.

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Dan Fallows:
“I’ve always said since the beginning of the year that we, as a team, have to understand how to make quick cars from the outset, and we have to understand how to compete in this development race, because it is a race.

“That’s something we’ve learned a huge amount this year, and we can take away as a big positive.”

With that learning under its belt, can Aston Martin make as big a leap this winter ahead of 2024 as it did last winter?

“It’s absolutely possible,” insisted Fallows. “We’ve seen with what we did at the beginning of the season that there are still opportunities to make a big step forward.

“But it’s a relative game. It depends on what other people are doing.

“For us, the most important thing is that we’re making that big step forward. We have our internal targets. We have things that we want to achieve, and as long as we achieve that, then we’ll be happy.

“Where that sits us on the grid will play out according to what our competitors do.”

https://speedcafe.com/the-curious-case- ... f1-season/