Ferrari SF-24 speculation

[KimiRai]

Is can be true because at Aston they talking 1 second "Quantum jump".

What do you mean?

[Vanja #66]

Is not like that
A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap. But is also can be misleading due
delta-downforce/delta-laptime relationship. Anyway it is different number for every team , in Ferrari each 4 point = 0.1 sec , in McLaren each 5 point = 0.1 sec . So we talking about 0.7 sec . Is can be true because at Aston they talking 1 second "Quantum jump".

Just checked with an actual f1 aero wizard to make sure, 1 DF point is 1/100 of -ClS, so it actually includes surface area as well. -ClS is over 7m2 with these cars, so 30 points is less than 5% increase. Not a small amount, but definitely not enough of a gain between seasons with stable rules.

In any case, all of those numbers are highly speculative and 99.9% false, so it's not a smart thing to trust and analyse them.

[FDD]

According to A. Aimar 30 points of additional downforce is 0,3% gain, "I pray to God that they did not find 30 points plus cause we'll have the same 2023 season for Ferrari".
PS If we believe that info of 30 points more aero load is true info, which is very stupid to believe in.

Is not like that
A point is Formula One code for a hundredth of a fraction of ‘cl’, where ‘cl’ is the downforce coefficient. 30 points would be 30 hundredths which would equate to 0.3. So 30 points might be getting on for 10 percent of the downforce on an F1 car and that could be worth about a second a lap. But is also can be misleading due
delta-downforce/delta-laptime relationship. Anyway it is different number for every team , in Ferrari each 4 point = 0.1 sec , in McLaren each 5 point = 0.1 sec . So we talking about 0.7 sec . Is can be true because at Aston they talking 1 second "Quantum jump".

Guy is aero ing. and working in racing industry.
His statement is as I saw to a considerable extent confirmed by Vanja#66.
However I wanted only to inform about opinion of other aero experts involved in auto racing.
About the info it self of 30 points I already said.

[FDD]

In any case, all of those numbers are highly speculative and 99.9% false, so it's not a smart thing to trust and analyse them.

Absolutly agree on that, the main point.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

In any case, all of those numbers are highly speculative and 99.9% false, so it's not a smart thing to trust and analyse them.

Absolutly agree on that, the main point.

Yeah...

[KimiRai]

Ferrari: summary of information from @formu1a__uno via Twitch :

- In terms of the technical organisation chart, things are more stable now with Cardile at the helm. 2024 will see the arrival of Loïc Serra in July. He's a top engineer, so he'll have a lot of responsibilities, and the adaptation time at Ferrari is always long. His impact will be felt above all on the 2025 car. Generally speaking, it's continuity with a constant recruitment process.

- Initial rumours indicate that Simone Resta could indeed return to Ferrari, but not to the F1 department. There is already a stable technical organization planned under Vasseur for the coming years.

- On the 2024 car, we expect to have much more aerodynamic downforce while maintaining efficiency, which means using lighter wings. On the front of the car, the direction is clear in terms of mechanics and aerodynamics = that of RB. The front suspension will be redesigned, with the suspension arms more inclined, to improve anti-dive properties.

- What will be important for Ferrari will be to find a lot of downforce from the floor. They will also need to find mechanical grip at the front. Comparing the Abu Dhabi SF-23 and the Ferrari 2024 in the simulator, they gained 30 points in aerodynamic load. A good basis.

- The problem at the front is one that Ferrari has carried with it for too many years. Something that doesn't necessarily suit Leclerc's driving style. The floorboard at Suzuka is a good first step, which will also improve the driver's confidence. There is a clear desire on the part of the engineers to strengthen the front end.

- Ferrari is going in the direction of the RB concept because it has the most development potential, but they won't copy it because that's not the way to win. They are also going to innovate. They also want to maintain the SF-23's strengths (braking, traction, slow cornering, straight-line efficiency).

- Engine reliability = Ferrari risked a lot in 2022 to have the most powerful engine, to the detriment of reliability. This choice paid off. However, since last year, there have been great strides forward in terms of reliability. It's a very good Power Unit, the best with Honda. The endothermic system is its strong point. The team is still working on improving reliability.

(Next live, they will discuss the Leclerc/Sainz question and something more about the 2024 car)

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Is can be true because at Aston they talking 1 second "Quantum jump".

What do you mean?

https://speedcafe.com/aston-martin-abso ... 3-f1-leap/

[organic]

Is can be true because at Aston they talking 1 second "Quantum jump".

What do you mean?

https://speedcafe.com/aston-martin-abso ... 3-f1-leap/

Fallows asked If a leap similar to last year is possible and he says "it's absolutely possible". That's it

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

What do you mean?

https://speedcafe.com/aston-martin-abso ... 3-f1-leap/

Fallows asked If a leap similar to last year is possible and he says "it's absolutely possible". That's it

No is just not That's it,because at december they asked the same and the answer was "No". If we can believe for the news ,then what we know is that Ferrari found approximately 0.7 sec and Aston 1sec. Honestly is can be very realistic, because at Mercedes also talking similar improvements.

[FDD]

According to source from Ferrari, they find gain in the simulator of 0,2-0,3 sec. with the new front wing design.

[Xyz22]

Hilariously, for now, Nugnes has been the most "reliable" and "feet on the ground" reporter.

He has also been the first one to reveal the aim of developing a thinner gearbox and avoided talking about specific gains in terms of performance (i.e. 0.5s / 1s etc.)

In any event guys no one will touch Red Bull unless they screw up somehow, which is highly unlikely.

Slight off-topic, but Nugnes correctly reported Resta leaving Haas before anyone yesterday

[gordonthegun]

I would like to know which of all the things we say here come from an official or very reliable source and which instead come from fantasy.
This is a thread of speculation, we write about one of our greatest passions and it is right to talk about hopes rather than truth... But I would really like to know.

[the EDGE]

I would like to know which of all the things we say here come from an official or very reliable source and which instead come from fantasy.
This is a thread of speculation, we write about one of our greatest passions and it is right to talk about hopes rather than truth... But I would really like to know.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBwcl9oXMAA ... =4096x4096

Unless there is a direct quote from a named team source, i'd take it as BS

[Vanja #66]

- The problem at the front is one that Ferrari has carried with it for too many years. Something that doesn't necessarily suit Leclerc's driving style. The floorboard at Suzuka is a good first step, which will also improve the driver's confidence. There is a clear desire on the part of the engineers to strengthen the front end.

Thanks for sharing, this bit is worth commenting on. The front end of SF-23 was weaker than expected due to inadequate design, but that's not all. During the season, to offset the rear aero instability, the team decided to further weaken the front and have more rear balance than they wanted, as was reported. This left the rear more stable and less prone to snaps of oversteer, but Leclerc struggled to extract the most from the car. Japan upgrade made the rear more stable and Leclerc was able to get the better balance. Should be said, the "carried (weak front end) with it for too many years" is quite bad writing, since the F1-75 was exceptionally well balanced even after the TD39 and both drivers were able to adapt to it very well. So of all the points they posted, this was definitely completely incorrect.

[DoctorRadio]

- The problem at the front is one that Ferrari has carried with it for too many years. Something that doesn't necessarily suit Leclerc's driving style. The floorboard at Suzuka is a good first step, which will also improve the driver's confidence. There is a clear desire on the part of the engineers to strengthen the front end.

Should be said, the "carried (weak front end) with it for too many years" is quite bad writing, since the F1-75 was exceptionally well balanced even after the TD39 and both drivers were able to adapt to it very well. So of all the points they posted, this was definitely completely incorrect.

Suzuka 2022, Leclerc ate through the front intermediate tyres, this is the first case that comes to mind.