Ferrari SF-24 speculation

[christian.falavena]

It is properly the sf-23. Just like this, no?

https://i.imgur.com/LDsqmva.jpeg

That's the F1-75. And it's not the car in the image, look at the front nose and sidepod shape

OK true. But this is definitely the sf-23 with louvres on the engine cover
https://cdn-2.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ail-1.webp

Yes, this seems legit. Did not remembered this config!

[Xyz22]

An important bit from James Key today at the Sauber presentation.

He said that the main reason behind the switch from push rod to pull rod front suspension is mainly aero, which is in line with what Newey have said multiple times in his book and recent comments from Cardile on the matter.

[mythr-ran-dire]

So the mechanical platforms are converging rapidly, which is natural since we are now in the third year of these regulations.

Teams that started on this configuration will continue to reap the benefits, I feel - especially when it comes to setup. The hope for everyone else is that the performance gain offsets the risk of tricky or narrow setup windows caused by the change.

[Farnborough]

An important bit from James Key today at the Sauber presentation.

He said that the main reason behind the switch from push rod to pull rod front suspension is mainly aero, which is in line with what Newey have said multiple times in his book and recent comments from Cardile on the matter.

Thought JK was responsible for the McL chassis coming into 2022 as well.....obviously more latent potential in it once they got the aero scheme going in the right direction.

[jambuka]

Is SF-24 also going to change the front suspension ?

[Farnborough]

Is SF-24 also going to change the front suspension ?

If I understand Cardile description correctly, shift to make more use of geometry (anti dive discussion floated around for most teams generally) but remaining push rod for access convenience to adjust suspension components.

For the mechanical suspension part, it doesn't make much difference either way, its the packaging that's advantageous or not.

Front view through the suspension, suggests there's less blocking of airflow with pullrod though. The suspension arms although not able to give positive load in rules, do seem to contribute as conditioning vanes to clean up airflow to the mid section (above floor & below top crash beam/air inlet) in promoting the further downstream air volume.

Cardile statement also indicating the front facing sidepods "blocking" air was to be changed by moving lower sip beam down (said they went with highest allowed before) and therefore clearing that sidepod undercut area.

From that, expect shift in top front wishbone with rear leg dropping, possibly raised sidepod air inlet, more undercut and sip in topside of floor for location.

[Xyz22]

Is SF-24 also going to change the front suspension ?

They won't shift from push to pull, but according to Formu1a.uno there will be significant changes, specifically towards anti dive.

[Vanja #66]

It's not about anti dive per se, so please let's stop calling it that, it's about inclination between the arms, 4 separate aero foils generating more downwash and so more air ahead of the floor. SF-23 had no inclination angle of the arms themselves for example, it was very strange.



Compared to RB19 which used the steering arm as a "slat" for the front bottom arm, as well as the pull rod itself. So 6 separate aero foils generating downwash. And this is what makes the push rod hard to incorporate in RB design, since they are lifting the front arms as high as possible. So it will be interesting to see SF-24 in that area.

[FDD]

It's not about anti dive per se, so please let's stop calling it that, it's about inclination between the arms, 4 separate aero foils generating more downwash and so more air ahead of the floor. SF-23 had no inclination angle of the arms themselves for example, it was very strange.

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ont-1.webp

Compared to RB19 which used the steering arm as a "slat" for the front bottom arm, as well as the pull rod itself. So 6 separate aero foils generating downwash. And this is what makes the push rod hard to incorporate in RB design, since they are lifting the front arms as high as possible. So it will be interesting to see SF-24 in that area.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpoZtkBWAAU ... name=large

This was pointed out so many times...
Obviously you have to stress it again.

[christian.falavena]

It's not about anti dive per se, so please let's stop calling it that, it's about inclination between the arms, 4 separate aero foils generating more downwash and so more air ahead of the floor. SF-23 had no inclination angle of the arms themselves for example, it was very strange.

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ont-1.webp

Compared to RB19 which used the steering arm as a "slat" for the front bottom arm, as well as the pull rod itself. So 6 separate aero foils generating downwash. And this is what makes the push rod hard to incorporate in RB design, since they are lifting the front arms as high as possible. So it will be interesting to see SF-24 in that area.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpoZtkBWAAU ... name=large

Oh, please. Thank you, I might engage a war against who is continuing to call it "anti-dive".

[Xyz22]

[jambuka]

Chills…

[CouncilorIrissa]

Does anyone have an opinion whether it sounds fast or not?

[gordonthegun]

Does anyone have an opinion whether it sounds fast or not?

Superfast.

[Vinlarr89]

Seems like everyone is converging on the RBR suspension design (pull -push) and Ferrari sticking with what they have albeit with different kinematics.
Just hope that this decision doesn’t come back to haunt them. I can’t for the life of me see why they would keep it purely for ease of set up if there are that many gains to be made to the flow conditioning of the RBR set up.