2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[KimiRai]

Someone who understands Italian please help, I only can understand basic words, but I think Nugnes has said at the end of the video that the expectations are of a performance increase of 5 tenths.
"si parla de una crescita prestazionale di un mezzo secondo"

[Schippke]

And from the early shakedown videos... it does look more stable on the straights compared to the SF23.

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-sf-24- ... -23-video/

If one can draw that conclusion from the 10 seconds worth of video footage of SF-24 on track, they’re nothing short of a Genius.

As for the launch spec itself, compared to the rest of the grid, with the exception of what they’ve done with the Halo area, it is arguably one of the most conservative cars out of all revealed so far. That being said, SF-23 didn’t look nearly as developed as some of the other cars in the field towards the end of last year and arguably ended up 2nd fastest outright by seasons end…

At the very least, should give them a good base to build upon and develop as he season progresses… hoping they’ll be able to keep a hold of their end of season spot in terms of performance, though with the strides McLaren made last year, the confidence of Aston Martin once more this year and a likely resurgent Mercedes… from P2-P10 (maybe P3 if Sergio is closer to Max this year), will be incredibly tight… not to mention Alpha Ta… uh, VCARB being a legitimate dark horse with more Red Bull bits.

[LM10]

It's a bit strange. The car looks somehow as if it's design has only caught up to last year's RB:

1) Added RB19 sidepod inlet underbite
2) Added RB19 undercut sidepod
3) Added plain mirror covers from RB19.
4) Added engine cover exits from RB19.
5) Narrower gearbox as RB19


Yet RB have advanced forward a year from that design. This is a car that Ferrari claimed would not be a RB copy but it somehow feels that way? Considering the design direction, it has great potential to be a very fast car, but I wonder if it can be as fast as RB if the starting point is a bit like an older RB.

A concept (and this one eventually turned out to be the ideal one for this formula) requires certain things, otherwise it wouldn't be called a concept. In this case it's things like sidepod inlet underbite (the high sidepod inlets were their idea from the SF70H anyway), an undercut, a cannon outlet combined with the channels seen on the W14 first.
The gearbox already was as slim as it could get last year (see Blackout's post from yesterday or a couple of days ago). But then again, in this concept it makes sense that the slimmer the gearbox to make way for flow towards diffuser, the better.

As for the plain mirror covers, that's hardly a standout or important RB19 feature, to be honest. It's more likely Ferrari didn't bother spending money on such a detail providing little performance gains.

[dialtone]

My humblest opinion is that Ferrari already had peak performance out of his cars, just looking at the number of P1s. It's the massive race drop off that represented the issue, if they manage to fix the race drop off while retaining peak performance they have a good deal going. Most aero surfaces can be changed in-season as well but chassis, cooling, suspension and nose really can't so IMHO they went to deal with those at the start and will spend the season in other areas. Is it hopium? Yeah definitely, but RB18>RB19 also didn't have many changes but was a huge step.

[Vinlarr89]

Ahhhh. They’ve done a Ferrari here. I’m really disappointed by how little they’ve changed. Yes it looks clean. But is clean enough? Sidepod inlets are basic, suspension hasn’t changed much, can’t see much change to floor edge. Am I overreacting?

[AR3-GP]

It's a bit strange. The car looks somehow as if it's design has only caught up to last year's RB:

1) Added RB19 sidepod inlet underbite
2) Added RB19 undercut sidepod
3) Added plain mirror covers from RB19.
4) Added engine cover exits from RB19.
5) Narrower gearbox as RB19


Yet RB have advanced forward a year from that design. This is a car that Ferrari claimed would not be a RB copy but it somehow feels that way? Considering the design direction, it has great potential to be a very fast car, but I wonder if it can be as fast as RB if the starting point is a bit like an older RB.

A concept (and this one eventually turned out to be the ideal one for this formula) requires certain things, otherwise it wouldn't be called a concept. In this case it's things like sidepod inlet underbite (the high sidepod inlets were their idea from the SF70H anyway), an undercut, a cannon outlet combined with the channels seen on the W14 first.
The gearbox already was as slim as it could get last year (see Blackout's post from yesterday or a couple of days ago). But then again, in this concept it makes sense that the slimmer the gearbox to make way for flow towards diffuser, the better.

As for the plain mirror covers, that's hardly a standout or important RB19 feature, to be honest. It's more likely Ferrari didn't bother spending money on such a detail providing little performance gains.

All fair points (although we don't know how good the RB20 will be, so we don't know if the cannon outlets of the W14 are working or a terrible error).

Regarding the mirrors, it's just interesting. For 2 years they had complicated looking mirrors, and then the year when they mimic much of the RB, they also drop the complicated mirror covers. If not to deliberately copy them, then at least it shows their thinking is in a direction similar to RB (spend on the performance drivers, not the superficial stuff).

I don't think Ferrari did anything wrong per-say. They followed a good direction but my immediate reaction was only that it felt like it's a year behind by virtue of being so similar to a year old car so I question how quick it could be relative to a newer iteration of that rival which looks to have made several key changes to make their old car obselete.

I'm sure the floor is heavily inspired by someone's Monaco crash as well.

[AR3-GP]

Cardile said that the launch specification of car would be the same one that the squad would race in Bahrain, while updates would follow once the team better understands the characteristics of its new challenger.

"The only thing I can say is that the car we've done already has progressed and evolved compared to the one presented," he said.

"Then we will decide when it will be better to bring the first updates on track. The first step is to see where we are compared to our competitors."

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferra ... /10575393/

[Xyz22]

It's a bit strange. The car looks somehow as if it's design has only caught up to last year's RB:

1) Added RB19 sidepod inlet underbite
2) Added RB19 undercut sidepod
3) Added plain mirror covers from RB19.
4) Added engine cover exits from RB19.
5) Narrower gearbox as RB19


Yet RB have advanced forward a year from that design. This is a car that Ferrari claimed would not be a RB copy but it somehow feels that way? Considering the design direction, it has great potential to be a very fast car, but I wonder if it can be as fast as RB if the starting point is a bit like an older RB.

Of course, it won't.
How can you create a car that is as fast as the RB 20 by being 2 years behind (which is the case, as Ferrari only started to work on the new concept in early 2023)?

The reason why Ferrari looks "basic" compared to the AMR24 is because they had to rethink their entire concept. Going extreme on details would have been too risky, probably.

[jambuka]

Yes seems like they have gone back. We will see if Merc looks this basic since they have changed the concept as well.

[Xyz22]

Yes seems like they have gone back. We will see if Merc looks this basic since they have changed the concept as well.

This should have been the 2023 car if Ferrari wanted to fight with RB, probably.

At least now they can develop the car to increase actual performance, hopefully.

[bosyber]

It's a bit strange. The car looks somehow as if it's design has only caught up to last year's RB:

1) Added RB19 sidepod inlet underbite
2) Added RB19 undercut sidepod
3) Added plain mirror covers from RB19.
4) Added engine cover exits from RB19.
5) Narrower gearbox as RB19


Yet RB have advanced forward a year from that design. This is a car that Ferrari claimed would not be a RB copy but it somehow feels that way? Considering the design direction, it has great potential to be a very fast car, but I wonder if it can be as fast as RB if the starting point is a bit like an older RB.

Of course, it won't.
How can you create a car that is as fast as the RB 20 by being 2 years behind (which is the case, as Ferrari only started to work on the new concept in early 2023)?

The reason why Ferrari looks "basic" compared to the AMR24 is because they had to rethink their entire concept. Going extreme on details would have been too risky, probably.

Given it is a new concept for them let´s at least wait and see how it does in testing, and then what they bring during that test and for the first race. It is quite possible that to make sure they have the basics right, they hold off on more advanced bits for the first days. Sure, it might be too little in the end, but Ferrari were possibly the 2nd fastest car over last season what with AM´s slump after the 1st half, and with Mercedes being inconsistent; if Ferrari can be more consistent and miss less chances than they've been doing over the last years, who knows.

[Xyz22]

It's a bit strange. The car looks somehow as if it's design has only caught up to last year's RB:

1) Added RB19 sidepod inlet underbite
2) Added RB19 undercut sidepod
3) Added plain mirror covers from RB19.
4) Added engine cover exits from RB19.
5) Narrower gearbox as RB19


Yet RB have advanced forward a year from that design. This is a car that Ferrari claimed would not be a RB copy but it somehow feels that way? Considering the design direction, it has great potential to be a very fast car, but I wonder if it can be as fast as RB if the starting point is a bit like an older RB.

Of course, it won't.
How can you create a car that is as fast as the RB 20 by being 2 years behind (which is the case, as Ferrari only started to work on the new concept in early 2023)?

The reason why Ferrari looks "basic" compared to the AMR24 is because they had to rethink their entire concept. Going extreme on details would have been too risky, probably.

Given it is a new concept for them let´s at least wait and see how it does in testing, and then what they bring during that test and for the first race. It is quite possible that to make sure they have the basics right, they hold off on more advanced bits for the first days. Sure, it might be too little in the end, but Ferrari were possibly the 2nd fastest car over last season what with AM´s slump after the 1st half, and with Mercedes being inconsistent; if Ferrari can be more consistent and miss less chances than they've been doing over the last years, who knows.

Yeah, that's the goal i guess. Make sure everything work as intended and start to develop the car to increase overall performance.

RB will easily dominate this year unless someone pulled off the greatest miracle in F1 history

[AR3-GP]

RB will easily dominate this year unless someone pulled off the greatest miracle in F1 history

The gap is not THAT big.

Considering that Aston, Ferrari, and Mclaren have a few more windtunnel hours, they have the means to catch RB and now they actually need to deliver on that extra time rather than waste it on blind alleys.

[chrstphrln]

It's a bit funny how the Ferrari is described here as outdated, basic or not very developed.

He hasn't driven a meter at the limit yet, nobody knows his potential.
According to engineers and drivers, it is a significant improvement on its predecessor, which was the best car in the field after Red Bull towards the end of the season.
Maybe we'd rather analyze track times rather than fashion value?

[Darth-Piekus]

So Im not the only one who thinks that the car seems very basic compared to what we've seen so far. On the other hand though Im sure theres more than meets the eye