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AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:47
Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:45
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:42
Since we are speculating:

A:
https://i.postimg.cc/htZZTKdD/image.png

B:
https://i.postimg.cc/GpYPtRPS/image.png
Both those would be visible on this pic, no? Unless you go with B and make it much thinner.
https://i.imgur.com/qw2jD9Z.png
True. This angle rules those out. It is the tiniest of inlets.
yh i think it is literally a slot. also the nose looks very pointy like the f1-75 (a bit more rounded but similar)

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Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:48
continuum16 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:46
We desperately need at least one HD pic because from what I'm seeing the bodywork is looking surprisingly similar to the W14. Nose connected to the front wing mainplane? Overbite? Sculpted cannon? Small waterslides? I would find it so unbelievably funny if all features were there on the RB and NOT on the W15, just from an ironic point of view. The floor and suspension will probably be quite different between the two regardless.
Wouldn't it just be the cherry on top for Merc to have moved the SIS down to a normal position and then the RB20 comes in looking like W14, winning.
the aero was good on the W14, their problem was the chassis and ride height

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Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:45
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:42
Since we are speculating:

A:
https://i.postimg.cc/htZZTKdD/image.png

B:
https://i.postimg.cc/GpYPtRPS/image.png
Both those would be visible on this pic, no? Unless you go with B and make it much thinner.
https://i.imgur.com/qw2jD9Z.png
This is what seems to be the more likely configuration based on the pictures we have. But how small exactly could the thing be? With the letter-box design, it was scooping some air from the top as well (SF70H style), so although from the frontal view, the slit was tiny, in terms of volume when you include the top as well it was more or less the same.

But by "inverting" the letterbox design and going more the W14 route, surely they wouldn't be able to keep the same inlet size. I guess a combination of A and B is possible too, giving more of an " ¬ " shape.

Edit:

On second thought, it could just be the angle combined with very low quality playing tricks on us. Looking at the W14 from a similar angle you can't really see an inlet:

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Dr_obbs hinting at more being brought at Bahrain? He usually has his finger to the pulse when it comes to RB


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organic wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:59
Dr_obbs hinting at more being brought at Bahrain? He usually has his finger to the pulse when it comes to RB

it's going to be Zeropods 100%

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I've seen in quite a lot of photos this "spray line".
Something special or "common" treatment of airflow.
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Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:57
Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:45
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:42
Since we are speculating:

A:
https://i.postimg.cc/htZZTKdD/image.png

B:
https://i.postimg.cc/GpYPtRPS/image.png
Both those would be visible on this pic, no? Unless you go with B and make it much thinner.
https://i.imgur.com/qw2jD9Z.png
This is what seems to be the more likely configuration based on the pictures we have. But how small exactly could the thing be? With the letter-box design, it was scooping some air from the top as well (SF70H style), so although from the frontal view, the slit was tiny, in terms of volume when you include the top as well it was more or less the same.

But by "inverting" the letterbox design and going more the W14 route, surely they wouldn't be able to keep the same inlet size. I guess a combination of A and B is possible too, giving more of an " ¬ " shape.
I suppose the Coanda effect would still work if you flip the lip/wing upside down too. Why not? So the opening is thin but the rounded underside of the wing sucks air into a thin inlet.

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continuum16 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:46
We desperately need at least one HD pic because from what I'm seeing the bodywork is looking surprisingly similar to the W14. Nose connected to the front wing mainplane? Overbite? Sculpted cannon? Small waterslides? I would find it so unbelievably funny if all features were there on the RB and NOT on the W15, just from an ironic point of view. The floor and suspension will probably be quite different between the two regardless.
Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day to say the least...
A lion must kill its prey.

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Venturiation wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 23:02
organic wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:59
Dr_obbs hinting at more being brought at Bahrain? He usually has his finger to the pulse when it comes to RB
it's going to be Zeropods 100%
Considering it's the usual dogshit quality photos being released and the fact the Twitter accounts releasing them are being deleted (like they're staged) it wouldn't even surprise me. The people taking the photos are very conveniently positioned, right in front of the garage on the main straight, right in front of where the car stopped to do starts. Did RB put them there? They could certainly have removed them.
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Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:57
Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:45
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:42
Since we are speculating:

A:
https://i.postimg.cc/htZZTKdD/image.png

B:
https://i.postimg.cc/GpYPtRPS/image.png
Both those would be visible on this pic, no? Unless you go with B and make it much thinner.
https://i.imgur.com/qw2jD9Z.png
This is what seems to be the more likely configuration based on the pictures we have. But how small exactly could the thing be? With the letter-box design, it was scooping some air from the top as well (SF70H style), so although from the frontal view, the slit was tiny, in terms of volume when you include the top as well it was more or less the same.

But by "inverting" the letterbox design and going more the W14 route, surely they wouldn't be able to keep the same inlet size. I guess a combination of A and B is possible too, giving more of an " ¬ " shape.

Edit:

On second thought, it could just be the angle combined with very low quality playing tricks on us. Looking at the W14 from a similar angle you can't really see an inlet:

https://i.ibb.co/3z5Qmrx/Screenshot-202 ... 220108.png
this image isn't as bad:

There is an inlet, and it's underneath the lip. It will be difficult to "see" without using your imagination at this point.

Image
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AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 23:11
Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:57
Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:45

Both those would be visible on this pic, no? Unless you go with B and make it much thinner.
https://i.imgur.com/qw2jD9Z.png
This is what seems to be the more likely configuration based on the pictures we have. But how small exactly could the thing be? With the letter-box design, it was scooping some air from the top as well (SF70H style), so although from the frontal view, the slit was tiny, in terms of volume when you include the top as well it was more or less the same.

But by "inverting" the letterbox design and going more the W14 route, surely they wouldn't be able to keep the same inlet size. I guess a combination of A and B is possible too, giving more of an " ¬ " shape.

Edit:

On second thought, it could just be the angle combined with very low quality playing tricks on us. Looking at the W14 from a similar angle you can't really see an inlet:

https://i.ibb.co/3z5Qmrx/Screenshot-202 ... 220108.png
this image isn't as bad:

There is an inlet, and it's underneath the lip. It will be difficult to "see" without using your imagination at this point.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/535 ... 5e75_c.jpg
here it's easier to spot
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Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 23:06
Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:57
Cs98 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:45

Both those would be visible on this pic, no? Unless you go with B and make it much thinner.
https://i.imgur.com/qw2jD9Z.png
This is what seems to be the more likely configuration based on the pictures we have. But how small exactly could the thing be? With the letter-box design, it was scooping some air from the top as well (SF70H style), so although from the frontal view, the slit was tiny, in terms of volume when you include the top as well it was more or less the same.

But by "inverting" the letterbox design and going more the W14 route, surely they wouldn't be able to keep the same inlet size. I guess a combination of A and B is possible too, giving more of an " ¬ " shape.
I suppose the Coanda effect would still work if you flip the lip/wing upside down too. Why not? So the opening is thin but the rounded underside of the wing sucks air into a thin inlet.
I was just thinking the same thing. Everyone wants an underbite and wants the spillage from the radiators to attach and downwash over the top of the sidepods to the diffuser area. Turn it upside town and you have (at a high level) the same effect except instead of washing over the top of the sidepods it goes around/into the undercut and helps with... inwash? Maybe i'm putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but hey its a speculation thread so whatever :P
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Interesting nose shape...Look closely. It looks almost like a horse's hoof.

That could be image distortion, not sure...

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Lol rb just never dissapoints, they always deliver something interesting, that most of the time work

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marcel171281 wrote:
13 Feb 2024, 22:16
Why would RB drop the path they have been following for 2 years and adopt the Mercedes overbite/midwing? The inlet will be on top, following the path of the last 2 years, moving it futher and futher upwards. In these crappy pictures it is obscured by the mirror and mirror mount. The NACA duct style inlet is between the mirror and cockpit edge. It is the biggest underbite ever.
They may have maxed out the potential of the path they were going down. Whatever the reason is behind the switch you can be sure that it's at least as fast as the rb19.



If they removed the crease I'm guessing they have enough airflow going through the undercut to seal the floor and diffuser.

I speculate they prioritized floor edge performance for the RB18 and 19 by going with an underbite intake and now they are confidence in their platform they have gone for an overbite.

So now when the intake starts to be a restriction, it would then create a high pressure region in front of the intake which would seal the floor more and the beamwing would be unaffected by this unlike before.

If this is the case I bet on seeing better low speed performance like we see from AMR and McLaren.

Lastly, just because Mercedes weren't able to make it work that doesn't mean that the ideas and concept were horrible, it just means Mercedes can't make it work. Red bulls goal is to make the fastest car of the season even if it means taking inspiration from William's which redbull did early on in the season when William's were struggling.