Mercedes W15

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Also the sidepods does not seem to appear of having a lower leading lip. Instead it is just a -P- sidepod with parallel lips.

Wroom wroom

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Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:05
Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:00
Mercedes have history with clearing new ideas with the FIA before implementation.

I can't see why they wouldn't have done the same here and it given the green light.
Sure they do.
https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/w ... anetf1.jpg
FIA gave those the green light, then changed their mind. Then made them legal the year after.
Vanja #66 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:19
That's really an open mockery of the front wing rules...
Some would call it clever. But I guess it depends what team you support as to whether it's genius or not.

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Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:38
Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:05
Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:00
Mercedes have history with clearing new ideas with the FIA before implementation.

I can't see why they wouldn't have done the same here and it given the green light.
Sure they do.
https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/w ... anetf1.jpg
FIA gave those the green light, then changed their mind. Then made them legal the year after.
Because these things are not set in stone always. The FIA may give you a tentative "there's nothing 100% obviously illegal here" and then change their minds when other teams start protesting and giving their interpretation of the rules. Much of F1 is about teams policing each other's solutions. So clearing the FIA bar is just the first step of bringing a grey area part to the track.
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dren
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I can see these getting TD'd to oblivion very quickly.
Honda!

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Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:51
Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:38
Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:05

Sure they do.
https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/w ... anetf1.jpg
FIA gave those the green light, then changed their mind. Then made them legal the year after.
Because these things are not set in stone always. The FIA may give you a tentative "there's nothing 100% obviously illegal here" and then change their minds when other teams start protesting and giving their interpretation of the rules. Much of F1 is about teams policing each other's solutions. So clearing the FIA bar is just the first step of bringing a grey area part to the track.
Remember DAS? It flew.

This isn't a grey area. This follows the rules exactly to the letter as spelled. It's exactly the same interpretation as legality panels.

Intent should play no role in these questions, you make the ruleset correctly or you ban it the next year

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Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:51
Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:38
Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 14:05

Sure they do.
https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/w ... anetf1.jpg
FIA gave those the green light, then changed their mind. Then made them legal the year after.
Because these things are not set in stone always. The FIA may give you a tentative "there's nothing 100% obviously illegal here" and then change their minds when other teams start protesting and giving their interpretation of the rules. Much of F1 is about teams policing each other's solutions. So clearing the FIA bar is just the first step of bringing a grey area part to the track.
I don't see them in a period of cost caps, taking that risk, financially alone.

NoDivergence
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This is the most unique car on the grid and it looks like an actual racecar compared to last year's forward cockpit chassis.

Hope they can put on performance fast

Cs98
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NoDivergence wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:59
Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:51
Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:38


FIA gave those the green light, then changed their mind. Then made them legal the year after.
Because these things are not set in stone always. The FIA may give you a tentative "there's nothing 100% obviously illegal here" and then change their minds when other teams start protesting and giving their interpretation of the rules. Much of F1 is about teams policing each other's solutions. So clearing the FIA bar is just the first step of bringing a grey area part to the track.
Remember DAS? It flew.

This isn't a grey area. This follows the rules exactly to the letter as spelled. It's exactly the same interpretation as legality panels.

Intent should play no role in these questions, you make the ruleset correctly or you ban it the next year
DAS got banned. If they didn't have a problem with it they could've kept it for 2021. No matter, I can provide you a laundry list of TD changes that have come in-season too.

Anyways, I would like to see the FW in action, it looks aggressive. I'm more reacting to the usual narrative of "if it was cleared with the FIA it's good", and it's not always the case.

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NoDivergence wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 16:03
This is the most unique car on the grid and it looks like an actual racecar compared to last year's forward cockpit chassis.

Hope they can put on performance fast
What's unique about it? We have seen most of it in the past. There is nothing novel.

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Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 16:01
Cs98 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:51
Matt2725 wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 15:38


FIA gave those the green light, then changed their mind. Then made them legal the year after.
Because these things are not set in stone always. The FIA may give you a tentative "there's nothing 100% obviously illegal here" and then change their minds when other teams start protesting and giving their interpretation of the rules. Much of F1 is about teams policing each other's solutions. So clearing the FIA bar is just the first step of bringing a grey area part to the track.
I don't see them in a period of cost caps, taking that risk, financially alone.
If you want to catch up you need to take risks. They may have a plan B, this may be perfectly legal, it may be a diversion. We'll see.

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Rikhart wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 16:06
NoDivergence wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 16:03
This is the most unique car on the grid and it looks like an actual racecar compared to last year's forward cockpit chassis.

Hope they can put on performance fast
What's unique about it? We have seen most of it in the past. There is nothing novel.
The FW is novel, other than that it's quite reminiscient of cars we've already seen be launched.

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Instagram post of Russel leaving the garage


Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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organic wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 12:30
Luscion wrote:
14 Feb 2024, 12:28
This is the most interesting front wing ive seen of all the 2024 cars, only thing that remotely similar is the 2023 alpine
Front wing reminds me of the 2023 Alfa Romeo

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... -aus-1.jpg
The first thing I thought of.

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Image

source: Motorsportcom Italia
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