No doubt there will be sweeping changes happening across Bahrain + Japan but I have good reason not to believe the current reports of 'zeropods' coming
I'm 99% sure it won't have anything to do with W13 zeropods, it will be just a smaller thing than it is right now. It may be close in size to W14B sidepods and that's about it. They are already committed to the same flow conditioning on the top of the floor as the last 2 years and it's completely non-compatible with W13 zeropods.f1316 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2024, 00:41Now, of course, the devil is in the details and perhaps they are going for small sidepods but with a different concept entirely, but I’m personally going to remain cautious before proclaiming this another Newey master stroke. I think it’s quite possible this could turn out to be a blunder. Let’s see.
Not really, my illustration is a bit crude The idea is to flatten the rear curve after internal air ducting is sorted, as well as bringing the leading edge of the upper lip down just so it covers off the horizontal inlet from the front. No changes to radiators or SIS tube positioning whatsoever.OO7 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2024, 04:08That would require lifting the overbite and surrounding leading edge portions of the side pod above the height of the cockpit, unless the cooling system is altered. The cooling radiators and intercooler/s are long lead time items which typically remain fixed throughout a season. This is perhaps even more relevant given the budget cap.
Wouldn’t this shift the balance of the car and require changes to other areas (especially in the front) of the car as well?Vanja #66 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 21:22If I was Red Bull, this would be my first update. Shrink the rear of the sidepod (quite bulky now, conservative in terms of internal cooling ducts and adequate for these 3 hotter races) and bring down the upper inlet lip. A lot of lift reduction, and drag reduction by also generating thrust on the upper inlet lip. Overall decent efficiency increase. The colours are of course rough estimations of pressure plots
higher, ambient, low, lower
https://i.ibb.co/QdpTkTn/RB-20-evolution.jpg
Considering the surface of these sidepods, this update would be scary. Those who are regularly visiting this forum and have their hand on other cars, don't say you were surprised in a month and a half
I hope Red Bull go with only a vertical sidepod inlet, shaped like the W14, and no horizontal inlet.
Both wings are about 4-5 times further away longitudinally from CoG than any surface on the sides. Basically 2-3 clicks on the front wing and all good to go, these changes would bring more on drag reduction than downforce increase.
Looking at the huge increase in cannon size, if they have moved the cooling package rearward and swept it backwards (in the same way as with the Tyrell 012 - thanks @Blackout for the image!), they could maintain the upper plan shape as it currently is and massively increase the undercut volume.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 21:22If I was Red Bull, this would be my first update. Shrink the rear of the sidepod (quite bulky now, conservative in terms of internal cooling ducts and adequate for these 3 hotter races) and bring down the upper inlet lip. A lot of lift reduction, and drag reduction by also generating thrust on the upper inlet lip. Overall decent efficiency increase. The colours are of course rough estimations of pressure plots
higher, ambient, low, lower
https://i.ibb.co/QdpTkTn/RB-20-evolution.jpg
Considering the surface of these sidepods, this update would be scary. Those who are regularly visiting this forum and have their hand on other cars, don't say you were surprised in a month and a half
There's no 3D view that I can find. One image has a 360° and arrows, but it's still just a static image.chrstphrln wrote: ↑15 Feb 2024, 22:18If you play with the 360 degree view, you can see that there is no vertical inlet, just a small step and structural change in the monocoque.SICK AL SPEEDSHOP wrote: ↑15 Feb 2024, 22:07if you scroll down you can see an animation without intakes like on the pictures here and if you scroll down a bit more you can see W15 style intakes on the sidepods
https://www.redbullracing.com/int-en/
And you can see the air inlets exactly where they make sense: on the front of the side pods, narrow and high up.
So, no W15 style visible.
Opened the page in multiple browsers, but I still don't find a 3d view.levidrugi wrote: ↑15 Feb 2024, 22:23Actually you can modify the renderer.kfrantzios wrote: ↑15 Feb 2024, 22:16https://i.postimg.cc/9QHKCJhk/rb20inlets.png
There they are... if the model is correct...
1. visit the page: https://www.redbullracing.com/int-en/cars/rb20/
2. hit F12
3. find the <model-viewer html element (or search for min-camera-orbit=)
4. change its value to min-camera-orbit="auto 124deg 28deg"
5. you can now see under the car
https://ibb.co/x5hbycg
https://ibb.co/0XKtNPM
On the other hand the 2014 RB immediately overheated in testing.Farnborough wrote: ↑15 Feb 2024, 23:12AN is acutely aware of power unit heat rejection performance.....specifically making the choice of Renault over a Ferrari unit on this metric some years ago. They were contracted to run Ferrari, which they bumped into Torro Rosso to facilitate that contracted use.
Can't see it being an issue now.
I've been wondering about something similar. But I imagined disposing of traditional "radiators" as well. And reduce cooling to surface cooling, or at most elongated fins that secondarily have useful aero effects.