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Lewis running a different rear wing to what was on the launch spec and what Russell was running yesterday

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Luscion wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 09:19
Lewis running a different rear wing to what was on the launch spec and what Russell was running yesterday

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Luscion wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 09:19
Lewis running a different rear wing to what was on the launch spec and what Russell was running yesterday
Not the fat wing again. They had good traction with the "normal" wing yesterday but they didn't really push for times. Perhaps they saw they need more rear for push attempts?

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CaribouBread wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 09:25
Luscion wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 09:19
Lewis running a different rear wing to what was on the launch spec and what Russell was running yesterday
Not the fat wing again. They had good traction with the "normal" wing yesterday but they didn't really push for times. Perhaps they saw they need more rear for push attempts?
They used the big wing for almost all of testing last year and then the medium DF wing for Bahrain GP proper. So I think it's more that they have a lot of data with that wing

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Judging from the onboard cam, car's extremely skittish when it is pushed.
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Different skinny wing on the car, but still an old spec one if i recall correctly.

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Lewis had lots of bottoming and bouncing through the fast corners after the back straight drs zone that unsettled the car and made him lift.

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F1Krof wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 10:27
Judging from the onboard cam, car's extremely skittish when it is pushed.
its the same situation as Russell at the beginning of his testing yesterday, he just needs to dial in the setup

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Did Mercedes bring a brand new rear wing to the Bahrain tests, or are they waiting for the Bahrain race to bring a brand new rear wing that will be completely different compared to last season?

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Formula 1 fan wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 10:59
Did Mercedes bring a brand new rear wing to the Bahrain tests, or are they waiting for the Bahrain race to bring a brand new rear wing that will be completely different compared to last season?
Their high downforce wing now has rounded tips instead of sharp and medium downforce wing looks like the 2023 spec. Might bring a different spec next week because Allison said that the DRS effect was improved.

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Matt2725 wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 23:36
CaribouBread wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 09:10
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21 Feb 2024, 09:00
Hang on, there's a gap there :lol: Flexing is for sure going to happen majorly
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I get the legality wire, but won't this discontinuity be outright illegal? :?:
The third and fourth elements are the adjustable surfaces. Technically, the third element isn't one continuous surface either. So this discontinuity will satisfy that loophole for want of a better word, I would suspect.
The gap is the important detail.
The regs state that the rear edge of each element cannot be viewable from above (except for the fourth element). The gap (and there was one visible in the photo) would allow view of this. It was not connect to the legality plate on the hinged element preceding it.
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Stu wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 19:54
The gap is the important detail.
The regs state that the rear edge of each element cannot be viewable from above (except for the fourth element). The gap (and there was one visible in the photo) would allow view of this. It was not connect to the legality plate on the hinged element preceding it.
3.9.1 is only the first section of the front wing rules.

section 3.9.7 is the section that defines the rules for the front wing flaps. What the outer most section of the 3rd and 4th elements are called. I believe section 3.9.7 e covers your concerns.

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Minimal exceptions to the geometrical criteria of Article 3.9.1 for the wing profiles may
be made in the junction between the adjustable and non-adjustable parts, in order to
ensure the necessary level of sealing. Such parts must lie within 3mm from one of the
two surfaces of revolution and their maximum size must be the minimum necessary
amount required to achieve a 20mm overlap between the adjustable and the
non-adjustable parts of the profiles over the whole range of movement In the case
where the trailing edge of the rearmost element is trimmed, any such parts with
minimal exceptions can remain untrimmed, provided that the remaining parts extend
no more than 20mm behind the trimmed trailing edge.
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Stu wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 19:54
Matt2725 wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 23:36
CaribouBread wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 09:10


I get the legality wire, but won't this discontinuity be outright illegal? :?:
The third and fourth elements are the adjustable surfaces. Technically, the third element isn't one continuous surface either. So this discontinuity will satisfy that loophole for want of a better word, I would suspect.
The gap is the important detail.
The regs state that the rear edge of each element cannot be viewable from above (except for the fourth element). The gap (and there was one visible in the photo) would allow view of this. It was not connect to the legality plate on the hinged element preceding it.
this is pure comedy :mrgreen: , the rule disagree with your assertion

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Stu wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 19:54
Matt2725 wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 23:36
CaribouBread wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 09:10


I get the legality wire, but won't this discontinuity be outright illegal? :?:
The third and fourth elements are the adjustable surfaces. Technically, the third element isn't one continuous surface either. So this discontinuity will satisfy that loophole for want of a better word, I would suspect.
The gap is the important detail.
The regs state that the rear edge of each element cannot be viewable from above (except for the fourth element). The gap (and there was one visible in the photo) would allow view of this. It was not connect to the legality plate on the hinged element preceding it.
But as Matt says, the gap is there because the flap is adjusted. It doesn't mean that the tip doesn't extend up to the separation fence from a top-down perspective.