2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[tomism0]

Here is a comparison of the longer Sainz's stints in Practice 2 this year vs Practice 2 and 3 last year

Last year's stints were much shorter and with faster rate of decrease in performance.

It looks very promising indeed!

[Andi76]

I understand what you are saying, but then when I look at the telemetry and other variables it doesn't really make sense. If Verstappen has the advantage of the night session and similar fuel load then he should be quicker than Sainz in every type of corner. If he's not despite better track conditions, then I don't see why anyone thinks RB is stronger than Ferrari.

Why should Verstappen be better than Sainz in any kind of corner? So the car characteristics no longer play a role if the track is "better"? Sorry if I doubt that very much, because it contradicts practically everything I have ever learned and experienced. Just as it is not clear to me why, if everything is so meaningless and not comparable because nothing is known, everyone can say that Red Bull is stronger than Ferrari...that makes little sense to me now and is quite contradictory.

Because the track has more grip when it is cooler and if they were on the same fuel loads and Ferrari think they are 0.5 second behind RB, then yes Verstappen should be quicker almost everywhere given what we know of their car, what worked well, what they improved over the winter, and the benefit of a cooler and more rubbered in track.

Everything isn't meaningless. Remember that I only said initially that while it is possible to make comparisons, I don't feel that this one is the right one to make. It makes more sense to me to compare Sainz's 32.5 in the morning session to Verstappen's 32.5 in the morning session. In this comparison, both drivers seem to have comparable engine modes based on velocity trace and if what you say is true, they were on relatively similar fuel loads as well.

In this comparison, Ferrari isn't convincingly better in the low speed. Very comparable to RB however.


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It is certainly better to compare laps that are driven at the same time of day and under similar conditions. But again - that's not really what this comparison was about in the first place.

But however - it's by no means true that a better track cancels out every characteristic of a car and that the other must be faster everywhere. If you have a car with a similar fuel load and better traction, this car will be faster in the traction-relevant areas even under slightly worse track conditions. A clear example that proves this are the Renaults of the early 2000s, which could start on the bad side of the starting grid and still have much better starts than all the others. This shows very clearly that it is simply not true that a "better track" outweighs all vehicle characteristics everywhere. From what you say, it would also never have been possible in the 2003 single qualifying session for one of the cars that took to the track at the beginning and had a similar fuel load to the later ones to be faster than one of the cars that took to the track at the end. But that wasn't the case either. But let's end this topic, because it's obviously not going anywhere and everyone can draw their own conclusions.

[jambuka]

Anyone has data on what tire sets are still left with Ferrari? So we can understand what will be the focus for today.

[F1NAC]

Anyone has data on what tire sets are still left with Ferrari? So we can understand what will be the focus for today.

They brought 4 sets of C4s, I think Sainz used 2 of them, from the C4 compound they have 2 left. Probably for Charles in the afternoon. Also they have 2 sets of C5. I don't remember seeing them with C5s on track. for others I can't remember

[organic]

Anyone has data on what tire sets are still left with Ferrari? So we can understand what will be the focus for today.

They brought 4 sets of C4s, I think Sainz used 2 of them, from the C4 compound they have 2 left. Probably for Charles in the afternoon. Also they have 2 sets of C5. I don't remember seeing them with C5s on track. for others I can't remember

They brought 6 sets of C4s and Sainz used 3 sets of new C4s (i am 100% confident in that). Sainz started day 3 using some used c4s

[Vanja #66]

Encouraging runs from Sainz and overall positive driver feedback yesterday is good to see after 2023, but that's where the line needs to be drawn. RB did not show anything with Perez yesterday, while Max was toying with everyone on Day 1. McLaren definitely did not show their hand yet

[deadhead]

Encouraging runs from Sainz and overall positive driver feedback yesterday is good to see after 2023, but that's where the line needs to be drawn. RB did not show anything with Perez yesterday, while Max was toying with everyone on Day 1. McLaren definitely did not show their hand yet

VER should show more today.. maybe.

What do you think about Mercedes?

[Vanja #66]

What do you think about Mercedes?

They are always hard to read, they have their own convoluted sandbagging routines which include most fuel onboard of all cars and sometimes even the lowest PU settings of all.

[bagajohny]

Has Ferrari put flowviz on the car in this testing? They have also used aero rakes less compared to others. Just something I noticed. Is it a sign of confidence in their correlation with simulation?

[organic]

Has Ferrari put flowviz on the car in this testing? They have also used aero rakes less compared to others. Just something I noticed. Is it a sign of confidence in their correlation with simulation?

They have had flowviz on their underfloor at least. Seen streaks on the diffuser corners

[Vanja #66]

Has Ferrari put flowviz on the car in this testing? They have also used aero rakes less compared to others. Just something I noticed. Is it a sign of confidence in their correlation with simulation?

As far as I remember, they did not use flow vis in preseason testing for a while on the top side bodywork. Aero rakes bring far more data. They do use flow vis for new parts on race weekends.

[jambuka]

Sainz 2nd long stint on c4(5 laps old)

1 1:38.4
2 1:38.2
3 1:38.2
4 1:38.4
5 1:38.6
6 1:38.7
7 1:38.9
8 1:39.2
9 1:39.4

[Xyz22]

It seems RB is super strong in the 2nd sector while Ferrari in the 3rd

[wowgr8]

Also, if the gap is indeed 0.5s highly likely that RB will win again more than 20 races with minimal effort. It would be a disaster for F1.

A disaster that they gladly cooked up themselves when they castrated the F1-75

[Xyz22]

Sainz with a lot of fuel right now. Lapping way slower than Ocon in the middle sector.



Leclerc saying last year was his worst test experience ever