Christian Horner under Investigation

[djos]

In a professional world, that's what happens, as legally required by laws of the land.

Exactly.

This happened to me about 20 years ago, except the situation was reversed, I was accused of inappropriate behaviour by a female manager (she was more senior than me) in a different part of the company I worked for.

The only other difference was, I got a weeks paid holiday while the investigation was carried out before I was cleared of wrong doing.

I still to this day have no f’n clue why she really raised a complaint against me.

Woman are Weird...

That is true…

[mendis]

“The investigation report is confidential”

In a professional world, that's what happens, as legally required by laws of the land.

Exactly.

This happened to me about 20 years ago, except the situation was reversed, I was accused of inappropriate behaviour by a female manager (she was more senior than me) in a different part of the company I worked for.

The only other difference was, I got a weeks paid holiday while the investigation was carried out before I was cleared of wrong doing.

I still to this day have no f’n clue why she really raised a complaint against me.

I have seen a false case of sexual harassment. A lady accused her manager of sexual misconduct and the committee in the company did the investigation. The manager was a very soft spoken guy and we were surprised it was against him. As part of the investigation, the committee spoke to the manager and many a team members, including other female members in the team. It so happened, the manager had given a negative rating for in the appraisal after having repeatedly informing her of the lack of performance in their regular 1x1. The team members confirmed that she was a non performer and that team had pestered the manager to take her out as she was a drag for the team. He was to follow the process of managing a non performer, but she jumped the gun and raised a sexual harassment case. The committee and the independent lawyer (as required by labor law), having heard and gathering evidence, found no truth in the accusation.

The strange part is, that lady was let go without any punishment, despite having created a hostile environment for the manager to operate, damaging his reputation and causing mental trauma. If the world wants to treat men and women as equal, the punishment for falsifying and criminal accusations, should be treated equally too. Unfortunately, there was a soft corner and she was off the hook and moved to a different team, instead of firing her. There are other genuine cases too where the men involved got fired, rightly so.

[djos]

In a professional world, that's what happens, as legally required by laws of the land.

Exactly.

This happened to me about 20 years ago, except the situation was reversed, I was accused of inappropriate behaviour by a female manager (she was more senior than me) in a different part of the company I worked for.

The only other difference was, I got a weeks paid holiday while the investigation was carried out before I was cleared of wrong doing.

I still to this day have no f’n clue why she really raised a complaint against me.

I have seen a false case of sexual harassment. A lady accused her manager of sexual misconduct and the committee in the company did the investigation. The manager was a very soft spoken guy and we were surprised it was against him. As part of the investigation, the committee spoke to the manager and many a team members, including other female members in the team. It so happened, the manager had given a negative rating for in the appraisal after having repeatedly informing her of the lack of performance in their regular 1x1. The team members confirmed that she was a non performer and that team had pestered the manager to take her out as she was a drag for the team. He was to follow the process of managing a non performer, but she jumped the gun and raised a sexual harassment case. The committee and the independent lawyer (as required by labor law), having heard and gathering evidence, found no truth in the accusation.

The strange part is, that lady was let go without any punishment, despite having created a hostile environment for the manager to operate, damaging his reputation and causing mental trauma. If the world wants to treat men and women as equal, the punishment for falsifying and criminal accusations, should be treated equally too. Unfortunately, there was a soft corner and she was off the hook and moved to a different team, instead of firing her. There are other genuine cases too where the men involved got fired, rightly so.

Ouch! That’s a nasty situation.

Mine situation was double strange as

A/ I’d never even met the woman and only ever spoken to her by phone

B/ HR wouldn’t even tell me what “inappropriate behaviour” I’d been accused of before sending me on my forced holiday

Luckily for me, worked as an IT service management specialist in a data centre for large insurance company, and for security reasons all calls were recorded. I assume they went through the phone recordings and used those to clear me. They didn’t even discuss the investigation with me with I found bizarre.

Not a fun experience!

[Wouter]

[astracrazy]

F1 is full of corruption. We have had Briatore and Ecclestone. FIA wants to drive in middle east with missile strikes. So I think it isn't so impossible that Red Bull and Horner did get away from it with money.

Did you bother to read the rest of the comments on here or did you just decide to jump on and post a wild accusation you can't back up?

[f1jcw]

F1 is full of corruption. We have had Briatore and Ecclestone. FIA wants to drive in middle east with missile strikes. So I think it isn't so impossible that Red Bull and Horner did get away from it with money.

Did you bother to read the rest of the comments on here or did you just decide to jump on and post a wild accusation you can't back up?

What do the rest of the comments have to do with anything.
Most of the time it is redbull supports innocent and snowflake employee.
Others don't take him as innocent just cause he is a redbull employee.

None of that has changed.

[dren]

Exactly.

This happened to me about 20 years ago, except the situation was reversed, I was accused of inappropriate behaviour by a female manager (she was more senior than me) in a different part of the company I worked for.

The only other difference was, I got a weeks paid holiday while the investigation was carried out before I was cleared of wrong doing.

I still to this day have no f’n clue why she really raised a complaint against me.

I have seen a false case of sexual harassment. A lady accused her manager of sexual misconduct and the committee in the company did the investigation. The manager was a very soft spoken guy and we were surprised it was against him. As part of the investigation, the committee spoke to the manager and many a team members, including other female members in the team. It so happened, the manager had given a negative rating for in the appraisal after having repeatedly informing her of the lack of performance in their regular 1x1. The team members confirmed that she was a non performer and that team had pestered the manager to take her out as she was a drag for the team. He was to follow the process of managing a non performer, but she jumped the gun and raised a sexual harassment case. The committee and the independent lawyer (as required by labor law), having heard and gathering evidence, found no truth in the accusation.

The strange part is, that lady was let go without any punishment, despite having created a hostile environment for the manager to operate, damaging his reputation and causing mental trauma. If the world wants to treat men and women as equal, the punishment for falsifying and criminal accusations, should be treated equally too. Unfortunately, there was a soft corner and she was off the hook and moved to a different team, instead of firing her. There are other genuine cases too where the men involved got fired, rightly so.

Ouch! That’s a nasty situation.

Mine situation was double strange as

A/ I’d never even met the woman and only ever spoken to her by phone

B/ HR wouldn’t even tell me what “inappropriate behaviour” I’d been accused of before sending me on my forced holiday

Luckily for me, worked as an IT service management specialist in a data centre for large insurance company, and for security reasons all calls were recorded. I assume they went through the phone recordings and used those to clear me. They didn’t even discuss the investigation with me with I found bizarre.

Not a fun experience!

I was wrongly accused by a lady in HR of sexism. I was screening applications for a job hire. I simply told her the few women who applied for the job I had previously interviewed and I wasn't interested in interviewing them again. I was also very familiar with their performance issues. When my boss approached me about it and realized what happened, he wouldn't let me get the HR lady on the phone so we could work out the issue, he kicked me off the interview board and put a woman on it in my place. Funny, the woman who replaced me just asked me who I wanted for the job cause she had no clue. I later found out the lady who accused me of sexism would talk to the admins about how much she despised men.

[214270]

Locked thread, so latest update:

[Luscion]

When you thought the saga was over, seems like there might be damning evidence of Horner and possibly that someone was not happen with the outcome of the investigation

[214270]

Translated: An email arrived in my inbox with what would be the evidence against Horner.

Whoever sent it, included all the "big" people in the sport, all the bosses included, and sent it in a way that makes it visible who received it.

You can't know if the material is real.

[214270]

[stonehenge]

Michael Schmidt said in the AMuS podcast that he was told that Red Bull Austria could only force Red Bull Racing to dismiss Horner if the actions rose to a criminal level. Explains why the statement merely said that the complaint had been dismissed, not that Horner had been cleared of any wrongdoing. Very possible that Red Bull Austria is not happy with the situation and someone leaked it to force Horner to resign.

[dans79]

The question now is who is the first person to start publishing what they got emailed!

[Venturiation]

[f1isgood]

Erik van Haren is the only guy so far who has publicly claimed he has seen all this evidence.

Apart from him, the independent barrister, Horner and the victim would have access to the evidence other than the RB board.

It is clear that regardless of whatever happens, someone wants Horner sacked from RB. Power struggle theories make far more sense now. Don't see any other reason for the leak.