2024 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, Feb 29 - Mar 02

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Re: 2024 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, Feb 29 - Mar 02

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I mean... take away the mega tow Max got on his fastest lap and consider Leclerc was so fast in Q2 and it was actually really close at the front.

Fingers crossed it's similar tomorrow and we might actually have a season to watch for a change.

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Anticlimactic :( Is Mclaren the dark horse? Is this track particularly not great for them? Going to be very competitive in other races?

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So comparing Q3 to 2023

2024
Ferrari +0.228
Mercedes +0.306

2023
Ferrari +0.292
Mercedes +0.632

Ferrari closing the gap by 0.064 and Mercedes by a decent 0.326

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djones wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:10
I mean... take away the mega tow Max got on his fastest lap and consider Leclerc was so fast in Q2 and it was actually really close at the front.

Fingers crossed it's similar tomorrow and we might actually have a season to watch for a change.
Qualifying is not going to be the measure. The specific nature of qualifying makes the field closer than in the races. In qualy, more of the corners become flat on low fuel and new tires and the cars with more downforce don't take as much advantage. Any handling issues are masked by the grip of the new tire. The race itself really emphasizes the strengths of some cars, and punishes the weaknesses of others.

Crucially, Verstappen has a new set of softs for the start tomorrow.
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matt_b wrote:So comparing Q3 to 2023

2024
Ferrari +0.228
Mercedes +0.306

2023
Ferrari +0.292
Mercedes +0.632

Ferrari closing the gap by 0.064 and Mercedes by a decent 0.326
You should compare the fastest time in quali rather than just q3 for this comparison.

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matt_b wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:12
So comparing Q3 to 2023

2024
Ferrari +0.228
Mercedes +0.306

2023
Ferrari +0.292
Mercedes +0.632

Ferrari closing the gap by 0.064 and Mercedes by a decent 0.326
Charles was faster than Max in Q2.

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AR3-GP wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:04
LM10 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:03
Leclerc’s Q2 lap was faster than the pole lap.
Track condition evolves.
Max was clearly faster in Q3, though.
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fourmula1 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:12
Anticlimactic :( Is Mclaren the dark horse? Is this track particularly not great for them? Going to be very competitive in other races?
Lando didn't hook up a lap. With a decent S1 Norris could've been in contention for pole

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LM10 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:15
matt_b wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:12
So comparing Q3 to 2023

2024
Ferrari +0.228
Mercedes +0.306

2023
Ferrari +0.292
Mercedes +0.632

Ferrari closing the gap by 0.064 and Mercedes by a decent 0.326
Charles was faster than Max in Q2.
Track evolution (for better or worse).
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LM10 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:15
AR3-GP wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:04
LM10 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:03
Leclerc’s Q2 lap was faster than the pole lap.
Track condition evolves.
Max was clearly faster in Q3, though.
Max set his 1.29.3 in Q2 at the beginning of the session. So between the beginning of Q2 and end of Q3 Max found 2 tenths. Between the end of Q2 and the end of Q3 though, there was very little improvement from anyone

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I think Bahrain this year might not be the most indicative of a testing type track to measure lap time gain. The weather conditions are supposedly very cold now and that is a bit unusual. Unless I am missing something this wasn't the case the last couple of years.

I hope the race is close as well :)

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organic wrote:
LM10 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:15
AR3-GP wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:04
Track condition evolves.
Max was clearly faster in Q3, though.
Max set his 1.29.3 in Q2 at the beginning of the session. So between the beginning of Q2 and end of Q3 Max found 2 tenths. Between the end of Q2 and the end of Q3 though, there was very little improvement from anyone
That’s fine but LEC had a faster lap in q2 and didn’t get a tow in q3. If you look at YoY gaps it’s weird to look at just q3 as if the conditions were identical in both years.

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dialtone wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:19
organic wrote:
LM10 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:15


Max was clearly faster in Q3, though.
Max set his 1.29.3 in Q2 at the beginning of the session. So between the beginning of Q2 and end of Q3 Max found 2 tenths. Between the end of Q2 and the end of Q3 though, there was very little improvement from anyone
That’s fine but LEC had a faster lap in q2 and didn’t get a tow in q3. If you look at YoY gaps it’s weird to look at just q3 as if the conditions were identical in both years.
Track conditions aren't the same during different sessions so Q2 doesn't matter. Even then, Verstappen didn't do a second run on new tires in Q2 so there is no comparison.
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AR3-GP wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 15:52
Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 15:37
FP3 1.5s quicker than last year, crazy...
I predicted this on the first page of this thread :lol:
That did not age well :)
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 19:22
AR3-GP wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 15:52
Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Mar 2024, 15:37
FP3 1.5s quicker than last year, crazy...
I predicted this on the first page of this thread :lol:
That did not age well :)
So they were all glory running in Fp3 then :lol:
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