So many senior engineers left in the last 1,5 years... waht could the do? Aston Martin and Ferrari are recruiting so strongly and no senior engineer from a top team is coming to them... What is Totto doing? I know you cant stop them from leavin but how Vasseur and Stroll are taking all this engineers from other team like in a eastern Europe market? Why nobody from Ferrari or Red Bull to Mercedes? I know that I can be biased because I love Mercedes but it its so annoying... Give them money and take the best to Brakley... Loic Serra is gone... Elliot is Gone... others too.. and all what we got is that they stoped in time Allison to Aston Martin. Im super gutted.
Don't forget. Totto has home field advantage. He know's from personal experience and reviews who the best Engineers are. Who to hang onto and who to let leave.mclaren_mircea wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 16:05What is wrong with Mercedes?
Vasseur said that you have to recruit strongly to have the best engineers even if they are from other teams. I dont have to much faith in graduates or young engineers... Red Bull know one thing and for good: hang on on your best engineers. No matter that they are born in the 50' or 60'. You have to replace them with good people if you want to remain on top. I dont think that Ferrari are wrong. They too have a big organisation but good people are still coming from other teams. Why Ferrari is trying so har to get Wache and Mercedes so quiet? The man has to get so much valuble information from inhouse. He must have know every secret from Neweys brain. Mercedes built a strong engineering team when they poached Costa, Lowe, Willis, Bob Bell, Phil Prewh, Allison. And all of them are gone now despite the fact that all of them are younger than Newey. They are moaning that they are lost for the third year but they wont get to far with some young engineer from Williams or Sauber. You need the best. No matter how much costs.diffuser wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 16:52Don't forget. Totto has home field advantage. He know's from personal experience and reviews who the best Engineers are. Who to hang onto and who to let leave.mclaren_mircea wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 16:05What is wrong with Mercedes?
This does make sense to some extent. RB, Ferrari and Mercedes were spending probably around the same amount before the cost cap. While Mercedes lost a lot of their big names to other teams, RB and Ferrari did not. Either RB and Ferrari found better loopholes to keep their staff, or Merc does not care anymore to be in the top game. Whenever I check career websites for the teams Merc has none to few openings while RB and Ferrari have positions listed all the time.gshevlin wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 23:20The progressive application of the cost cap is resulting in a move of engineers from the best funded teams to the less funded teams. Teams like Mercedes were spending more money on staff than allowed by the cost cap, so they have been letting some staff go. If they end up at a Mercedes- supplied team, that would be the best outcome.
Absolutely insane the amount of former TDs Ross Brawn had at Mercedes heading into 2014.mclaren_mircea wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 17:16Mercedes built a strong engineering team when they poached Costa, Lowe, Willis, Bob Bell, Phil Prewh, Allison. And all of them are gone now despite the fact that all of them are younger than Newey. They are moaning that they are lost for the third year but they wont get to far with some young engineer from Williams or Sauber. You need the best. No matter how much costs.
Ferrari, even before the cost cap Ferrari had the habit of loaning engineers to Haas and Sauber/Alfa(that door is closed now.maygun wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024, 21:21This does make sense to some extent. RB, Ferrari and Mercedes were spending probably around the same amount before the cost cap. While Mercedes lost a lot of their big names to other teams, RB and Ferrari did not. Either RB and Ferrari found better loopholes to keep their staff, or Merc does not care anymore to be in the top game. Whenever I check career websites for the teams Merc has none to few openings while RB and Ferrari have positions listed all the time.gshevlin wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 23:20The progressive application of the cost cap is resulting in a move of engineers from the best funded teams to the less funded teams. Teams like Mercedes were spending more money on staff than allowed by the cost cap, so they have been letting some staff go. If they end up at a Mercedes- supplied team, that would be the best outcome.
Or you've not been paying close attention.maygun wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024, 21:21This does make sense to some extent. RB, Ferrari and Mercedes were spending probably around the same amount before the cost cap. While Mercedes lost a lot of their big names to other teams, RB and Ferrari did not. Either RB and Ferrari found better loopholes to keep their staff, or Merc does not care anymore to be in the top game. Whenever I check career websites for the teams Merc has none to few openings while RB and Ferrari have positions listed all the time.gshevlin wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 23:20The progressive application of the cost cap is resulting in a move of engineers from the best funded teams to the less funded teams. Teams like Mercedes were spending more money on staff than allowed by the cost cap, so they have been letting some staff go. If they end up at a Mercedes- supplied team, that would be the best outcome.
Maybe you are right I am not closing that closely but still, I don't remember any big signings (except Jayne Poole, who is not a technical employee) from Mercedes in the last 3 years. While they lost big names like Eric Blandin, Mike Elliot, Ben Hodgkinson, along with James.diffuser wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024, 22:29Or you've not been paying close attention.maygun wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024, 21:21This does make sense to some extent. RB, Ferrari and Mercedes were spending probably around the same amount before the cost cap. While Mercedes lost a lot of their big names to other teams, RB and Ferrari did not. Either RB and Ferrari found better loopholes to keep their staff, or Merc does not care anymore to be in the top game. Whenever I check career websites for the teams Merc has none to few openings while RB and Ferrari have positions listed all the time.gshevlin wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 23:20The progressive application of the cost cap is resulting in a move of engineers from the best funded teams to the less funded teams. Teams like Mercedes were spending more money on staff than allowed by the cost cap, so they have been letting some staff go. If they end up at a Mercedes- supplied team, that would be the best outcome.
off the top of my Head I can think of Fallows, Hegedus and Andrew Alessi.
Hegeddus was the project leader for the pitstops at RBR. He's doing the same at AMR. They say he's responsible for the great pit stops at RBR.maygun wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024, 23:17Maybe you are right I am not closing that closely but still, I don't remember any big signings (except Jayne Poole, who is not a technical employee) from Mercedes in the last 3 years. While they lost big names like Eric Blandin, Mike Elliot, Ben Hodgkinson, along with James.diffuser wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024, 22:29Or you've not been paying close attention.maygun wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024, 21:21
This does make sense to some extent. RB, Ferrari and Mercedes were spending probably around the same amount before the cost cap. While Mercedes lost a lot of their big names to other teams, RB and Ferrari did not. Either RB and Ferrari found better loopholes to keep their staff, or Merc does not care anymore to be in the top game. Whenever I check career websites for the teams Merc has none to few openings while RB and Ferrari have positions listed all the time.
off the top of my Head I can think of Fallows, Hegedus and Andrew Alessi.
I wouldn't put Hegedus on that level, but yeah I agree Fallows and Andrew are big names that moved. But they filled Fallow's seat with Enrico Balbo who moved from Mercedes. Wache and Newey is still there.
