2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Matt2725]

Is Jarrod Murphy still head of aero. Is he highly rated and sought by other teams? Or is he not leading the aero department efficiently. Just wondering as never see his name mentioned much.

He took over as Aerodynamics Director from Mike Elliott in July 2021. Which was a step up from head of aero.

Gioacchino Vino is Chief Aerodynamicist, but not sure who the actual head of aero is currently.

[lio007]

Is Jarrod Murphy still head of aero. Is he highly rated and sought by other teams? Or is he not leading the aero department efficiently. Just wondering as never see his name mentioned much.

He took over as Aerodynamics Director from Mike Elliott in July 2021. Which was a step up from head of aero.

Gioacchino Vino is Chief Aerodynamicist, but not sure who the actual head of aero is currently.

I'd say it's the same, just a different job title. I think they can't afford to have a director and a head of because of the cap.

[214270]

Translation: Some of the Mercedes telemetry numbers in the fast corners of Jeddah are impressive:

Slower than the Alpine.

They used 60% of the accelerator (throttle) in curves where Max was standing at the bottom (understeering).

There's something wrong that's not right

[LetHimTrough]

"Pe embaixo" means full throttle, not understeer!

[Sevach]

"Pe embaixo" means full throttle, not understeer!

That's correct.



High speed struggles are touched in this video.

[f1isgood]

The biggest difference between W14 and W15 seem to be drag reduction from comparing RUS's quali laps. High speed downforce improvement seems very minimal. He in fact loses time relative to W14 up until the final sector where he starts to gain.

[Il Leone]

Have we got any onboard footage from George & Lewis, I've barely seen any at all.

[organic]

The biggest difference between W14 and W15 seem to be drag reduction from comparing RUS's quali laps. High speed downforce improvement seems very minimal. He in fact loses time relative to W14 up until the final sector where he starts to gain.

At Saudi 2023 mercedes used the same wing as Bahrain. In 2024 they used this same wing at Bahrain. But at Saudi 2024 they used a low df wing, hence the difference in telemetry you see. They would be improving in the high speed from the w14 even with the w15's problems, if they had run a similar setup year on year, but they didn't so comparisons aren't very useful

[SiLo]

I would say they were probably running the least downforce on the grid, their rear wing was very small.

[TeamKoolGreen]

Mercedes will figure it out at some point in the next few races and they will be right there with Ferrari. Just as McLaren did.

[Vaexa]

Mercedes will figure it out at some point in the next few races and they will be right there with Ferrari. Just as McLaren did.

Like they did in 2022 and 2023?

[f1isgood]

The biggest difference between W14 and W15 seem to be drag reduction from comparing RUS's quali laps. High speed downforce improvement seems very minimal. He in fact loses time relative to W14 up until the final sector where he starts to gain.

At Saudi 2023 mercedes used the same wing as Bahrain. In 2024 they used this same wing at Bahrain. But at Saudi 2024 they used a low df wing, hence the difference in telemetry you see. They would be improving in the high speed from the w14 even with the w15's problems, if they had run a similar setup year on year, but they didn't so comparisons aren't very useful

Oh ok. Good to know about this and that makes my point moot as it is not an apple to apple comparison. Curious to see where they gained over the past year over the next few years.

[Farnborough]

Mercedes will figure it out at some point in the next few races and they will be right there with Ferrari. Just as McLaren did.

Like they did in 2022 and 2023?

There appears to exist a systemic problem within this team.

Something in their method, process and application keeps bringing them to more or less the same point, that repeatability while useful when on the right track, is not good when the opposite occurs.

They keep saying themselves that they don't understand it. That's their judgement of themselves, until they do they won't really get far.

[leblanc]

Like Vanja said they’ll have to use a race and figure out where and why correlation is incorrect.

[f1isgood]

Mercedes will figure it out at some point in the next few races and they will be right there with Ferrari. Just as McLaren did.

Like they did in 2022 and 2023?

There appears to exist a systemic problem within this team.

Something in their method, process and application keeps bringing them to more or less the same point, that repeatability while useful when on the right track, is not good when the opposite occurs.

They keep saying themselves that they don't understand it. That's their judgement of themselves, until they do they won't really get far.

They still keep finding reasonable gains in laptime. It is just not impressive enough to be clear of other teams in a close pack behind RB. At some level Merc seem to know how to find time with clever engineering (like the front wing) but seem to be missing a low hanging fruit for these regulations that McLaren and Ferrari now have wrt high speed corners.