Christian Horner under Investigation

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Read my message again please.
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Are there any decision makers in Austria? Since Nov 2022, No.

Moving the F1 team out of one holding company to another with more shareholders is quiet a large undertaking and would need consent of the majority of the 2 shareholders.

It was better for Christian to approach Yoovidhya to get on with his agenda. He was trying to protect the team from a new corporate management structure at the holding company, whom he sees as in experienced and a threat to the competitiveness of the team and its partners (such as Ford, FOM, FIA etc.)

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You completely missed my point for the second time. I've underlined it for you. Never mind.

MintZ looked dodgy to Christian

[Wouter]

The Telegraph
Tom Cary, Senior Sports Correspondent

Christian Horner accuser to lodge appeal after changing lawyers

It comes after the female employee was suspended by Red Bull and a second investigation into leaks surrounding the situation was launched

The woman whose grievance case against Christian Horner was dismissed by Red Bull’s parent company is expected to lodge an appeal in the coming days, Telegraph Sport understands.
There was a delay while she switched legal representation, but it is understood that she intends to appeal the outcome of the internal investigation carried out by Red Bull GmbH into allegations of controlling behaviour.
Red Bull announced on February 28, on the eve of the 2024 season-opener in Bahrain, that the case against Horner had been dismissed following a weeks-long investigation carried out by an unnamed specialist external barrister.
Horner’s accuser has since been suspended by the company, with concerns around the accuracy of her evidence cited as the reason.
But that is far from the end of the matter. Not only does the woman involved intend to fight on, Red Bull GmbH remains under pressure to show more transparency with how it arrived at its decision.
There is also believed to be a second investigation ongoing into the regular leaks which have occurred over the past five weeks. First the investigation itself was leaked, then the nature of some of the allegations. Finally, the day after Horner was cleared, a huge tranche of screengrabs, mostly of WhatsApp messages purporting to be between Horner and his accuser, were leaked by anonymous email to journalists and paddock figures.

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Employee who accused Red Bull team boss Horner is appealing

Erik van Haren

AMSTERDAM - The Red Bull Racing employee who filed a complaint against team boss Christian Horner is appealing.

The woman in question has recently hired a new lawyer. Initially, she would have five working days to appeal after receiving the official paperwork following the initial investigation. The change in lawyers gave her more time to do this.

Horner (50) is accused by the woman of sexual misconduct. Just before the first race weekend in Bahrain, he was exonerated by the external lawyer engaged by Red Bull's headquarters. Now a new lawyer will have to look into the whole matter. The employee was recently suspended by Red Bull. Horner has always denied the allegations.

[FW17]

The Telegraph
Tom Cary, Senior Sports Correspondent

Christian Horner accuser to lodge appeal after changing lawyers

It comes after the female employee was suspended by Red Bull and a second investigation into leaks surrounding the situation was launched

The woman whose grievance case against Christian Horner was dismissed by Red Bull’s parent company is expected to lodge an appeal in the coming days, Telegraph Sport understands.
There was a delay while she switched legal representation, but it is understood that she intends to appeal the outcome of the internal investigation carried out by Red Bull GmbH into allegations of controlling behaviour.
Red Bull announced on February 28, on the eve of the 2024 season-opener in Bahrain, that the case against Horner had been dismissed following a weeks-long investigation carried out by an unnamed specialist external barrister.
Horner’s accuser has since been suspended by the company, with concerns around the accuracy of her evidence cited as the reason.
But that is far from the end of the matter. Not only does the woman involved intend to fight on, Red Bull GmbH remains under pressure to show more transparency with how it arrived at its decision.
There is also believed to be a second investigation ongoing into the regular leaks which have occurred over the past five weeks. First the investigation itself was leaked, then the nature of some of the allegations. Finally, the day after Horner was cleared, a huge tranche of screengrabs, mostly of WhatsApp messages purporting to be between Horner and his accuser, were leaked by anonymous email to journalists and paddock figures.

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Employee who accused Red Bull team boss Horner is appealing

Erik van Haren

AMSTERDAM - The Red Bull Racing employee who filed a complaint against team boss Christian Horner is appealing.

The woman in question has recently hired a new lawyer. Initially, she would have five working days to appeal after receiving the official paperwork following the initial investigation. The change in lawyers gave her more time to do this.

Horner (50) is accused by the woman of sexual misconduct. Just before the first race weekend in Bahrain, he was exonerated by the external lawyer engaged by Red Bull's headquarters. Now a new lawyer will have to look into the whole matter. The employee was recently suspended by Red Bull. Horner has always denied the allegations.

I guess she is going from an expensive lawyer to an ambulance chaser

[dans79]

He was trying to protect the team from a new corporate management structure at the holding company, whom he sees as in experienced and a threat to the competitiveness of the team and its partners (such as Ford, FOM, FIA etc.)

If the rumors about an internal war are true, Imo the only thing Horner is doing is trying to get more power for himself.

[Wouter]

He was trying to protect the team from a new corporate management structure at the holding company, whom he sees as in experienced and a threat to the competitiveness of the team and its partners (such as Ford, FOM, FIA etc.)

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If the rumors about an internal war are true, Imo the only thing Horner is doing is trying to get more power for himself.

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Horner has been working on this since the first day after Dietrch Mateschitz died. He therefore tried to work Marko out,
but he was unable to do so because Max flew to Austria last year and told them that he would also leave if Marko left.
Marko's contract was subsequently extended by three years. Last weekend Max repeated that again: Marko is leaving, then I'm leaving too. Horner is out for power. A power-hungry (man).

[Espresso]

Well for those who get confused.
The dutch online newsoutlet nu.nl put it down visually the way they see it:
Guess the colors (of the lines) speak for themselves



Source nu.nl

[Wouter]

Well for those who get confused.
The dutch online newsoutlet nu.nl put it down visually the way they see it:
Guess the colors (of the lines) speak for themselves

https://media.nu.nl/m/zhvx9nra0vqt_stdp720.jpg

Source nu.nl

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[DChemTech]

I would use tense as a translation for 'gespannen' (stretched seems more for the literal physical interpretation of the word), but otherwise insightful.

[Wouter]

I would use tense as a translation for 'gespannen' (stretched seems more for the literal physical interpretation of the word), but otherwise insightful.

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I used Google Lens and a "zeer gespannen relatie" = a "very streched relation", but tense is also right, maybe better.

[kptaylor]

Did we ever get any proof that the accuser and Jos are in fact dating? If it's true it's no wonder the majority of stories are coming out are of Dutch origin. I also have to wonder about the reports of money being paid out. If that's true then there would have to have some sort of clause stating the deal void if she were to appeal or disclose information. All interesting with no real factual news coming forth.

[Wouter]

Did we ever get any proof that the accuser and Jos are in fact dating? If it's true it's no wonder the majority of stories are coming out are of Dutch origin. I also have to wonder about the reports of money being paid out. If that's true then there would have to have some sort of clause stating the deal void if she were to appeal or disclose information. All interesting with no real factual news coming forth.

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Someone saw this photo and thought that Jos had a relationship with the woman in the photo. That was in Abu Dhabi 2021
when Max became WDC for the first time and they walked quickly to the podium.
Jos is married and if he secretly had an extramarital relationship he would never show her in public, so BS.

I won't post the photo, just the url.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIEp3A8XUAA ... name=small

[f1isgood]

Did we ever get any proof that the accuser and Jos are in fact dating? If it's true it's no wonder the majority of stories are coming out are of Dutch origin. I also have to wonder about the reports of money being paid out. If that's true then there would have to have some sort of clause stating the deal void if she were to appeal or disclose information. All interesting with no real factual news coming forth.

Just like how the actual real information we have on this case is as minimal as it gets, people are just speculating. Some have decided to take sides and from that point on it's just a fist fight.

Neither do we still have authenticity for Horner's texts (you'd expect at least one publication to have checked the authenticity by now), nor do we know anything about this Jos story.

[basti313]

Did we ever get any proof that the accuser and Jos are in fact dating? If it's true it's no wonder the majority of stories are coming out are of Dutch origin. I also have to wonder about the reports of money being paid out. If that's true then there would have to have some sort of clause stating the deal void if she were to appeal or disclose information. All interesting with no real factual news coming forth.

Just like how the actual real information we have on this case is as minimal as it gets, people are just speculating. Some have decided to take sides and from that point on it's just a fist fight.

Neither do we still have authenticity for Horner's texts (you'd expect at least one publication to have checked the authenticity by now), nor do we know anything about this Jos story.

I mean...logic is mostly missing here...

That money was paid is mostly clear as the story went silent on the accuser side to 100%. That is what kptaylor is writing, there is nothing coming anymore due to an agreement. That is logic.

The Jos story on the other hand is nonsense. Why should he have a hidden affair to her and leak her out to wank with Horner? That is an illogically wild story.
If we speculate that Jos leaked the stuff, then he most probably has a very low interest in her.

[Redragon]

Did we ever get any proof that the accuser and Jos are in fact dating? If it's true it's no wonder the majority of stories are coming out are of Dutch origin. I also have to wonder about the reports of money being paid out. If that's true then there would have to have some sort of clause stating the deal void if she were to appeal or disclose information. All interesting with no real factual news coming forth.

Just like how the actual real information we have on this case is as minimal as it gets, people are just speculating. Some have decided to take sides and from that point on it's just a fist fight.

Neither do we still have authenticity for Horner's texts (you'd expect at least one publication to have checked the authenticity by now), nor do we know anything about this Jos story.

I mean...logic is mostly missing here...

That money was paid is mostly clear as the story went silent on the accuser side to 100%. That is what kptaylor is writing, there is nothing coming anymore due to an agreement. That is logic.

The Jos story on the other hand is nonsense. Why should he have a hidden affair to her and leak her out to wank with Horner? That is an illogically wild story.
If we speculate that Jos leaked the stuff, then he most probably has a very low interest in her.

The press was reporting via a friend of accuser that she wasn’t happy with the outcome of the I independent investigation and she was going to bring the case to UK court. So if that’s true. No money was paid because would mean that money would have come with clause and closure

So there is not confirmation that money was paid it is another speculation

[myurr]

BBC is confirming the appeal, and also confirms that it's the board who made the decision not the independent investigator. This is currently on the front page of BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68576295