2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[DiogoBrand]

I like Ferrari's strategy of firing Sainz, who is their better driver, in favor of Leclerc who is inferior and probably costs more.
I dream of one day being able to understand this team's magnificent decisions.

[catent]

I like Ferrari's strategy of firing Sainz, who is their better driver, in favor of Leclerc who is inferior and probably costs more.
I dream of one day being able to understand this team's magnificent decisions.

There is zero objective evidence that Sainz is a superior driver to Leclerc, or that Leclerc is inferior. It’s purely a subjective opinion of yours that shouldn’t be mistaken as fact. You’re entitled to an opinion but your opinion is not entitled to be true.

One race weekend does not define a driver. By essentially any empirical measure, Leclerc has been the superior driver over the past 2-3+ seasons, based on qualifying, races, and net points (especially when adjusting for mechanicals, strategy decisions, etc).

And that’s to take absolutely nothing from Sainz, who is a tremendous driver in his own right.

[PlatinumZealot]

lovely race by my future team! I wish FIA allowed three car teams to be honest. Carlos' performance today was amazing. Really doesn't deserve to be severed when it's not on a performance basis, and worse he's also proving he can legitimately be number 1.

[DGP123]

I like Ferrari's strategy of firing Sainz, who is their better driver, in favor of Leclerc who is inferior and probably costs more.
I dream of one day being able to understand this team's magnificent decisions.

There is zero objective evidence that Sainz is a superior driver to Leclerc, or that Leclerc is inferior. It’s purely a subjective opinion of yours that shouldn’t be mistaken as fact. You’re entitled to an opinion but your opinion is not entitled to be true.

One race weekend does not define a driver. By essentially any empirical measure, Leclerc has been the superior driver over the past 2-3+ seasons, based on qualifying, races, and net points (especially when adjusting for mechanicals, strategy decisions, etc).

And that’s to take absolutely nothing from Sainz, who is a tremendous driver in his own right.

Spot on.

[CouncilorIrissa]

I like Ferrari's strategy of firing Sainz, who is their better driver, in favor of Leclerc who is inferior and probably costs more.
I dream of one day being able to understand this team's magnificent decisions.

There is zero objective evidence that Sainz is a superior driver to Leclerc, or that Leclerc is inferior. It’s purely a subjective opinion of yours that shouldn’t be mistaken as fact. You’re entitled to an opinion but your opinion is not entitled to be true.

One race weekend does not define a driver. By essentially any empirical measure, Leclerc has been the superior driver over the past 2-3+ seasons, based on qualifying, races, and net points (especially when adjusting for mechanicals, strategy decisions, etc).

And that’s to take absolutely nothing from Sainz, who is a tremendous driver in his own right.

And people are surprised why a certain very rabid fanbase is disliked in Ferrari threads.
Carlos did an amazing job today and deserves all the praise for it. But saying that he's a superior driver because of this one race is just outright lying and inciting.

Where were all these people when he couldn't outqualify his teammate for 8 races straight before Australia and placed higher than him only once when Charles had brake issues in Bahrain?

Can't even praise your favourite driver for good performance without making it a cheap shot at others. Pathetic.

[SoulPancake13]

Leclerc didn’t have the feeling he had in FP2, that’s clear from the laptimes in the first stint. I wonder what went wrong/ what changed. At least he improved through the race, probably adapted better compared to the start.

Sainz was perfect like in Singapore.

I think the dirty air now is just horrible, Charles in clean air with proper warm up was faster than Sainz today.

I don't think so. Maybe in the last stint.

In the middle stint, Charles pushed too hard too early for the undercut and destroyed the tyres, also stint after VSC when he was stuck behind Carlos and the team told him to hold position(fairly I may add) his tyres went off bc of the dirty air. Third stint, he was able to ease them in and was decently quicker than Sainz, roughly matched Lando. First stint is not comparable imo, here McLaren and Ferrari were quite evenly matched on pure pace, although I think in clean air our deg was a lot better, hence why Sainz was able to stay on the mediums and gap Lando.

No matter what: Sainz drove impeccably. Brilliant weekend. Charles, although not having his strongest weekend, brought home maximum points w P2 and the fastest lap. I think this won't be the only victory this year.

[Seanspeed]

lovely race by my future team! I wish FIA allowed three car teams to be honest. Carlos' performance today was amazing. Really doesn't deserve to be severed when it's not on a performance basis, and worse he's also proving he can legitimately be number 1.

In no way has Sainz proved he can be no.1 with Leclerc as a teammate. :/

So many people get carried away with the most extreme recency bias. lol

Anyways, great day. A shame we couldn't have seen the direct pace against Max, but hey. And also fantastic to see amazing execution. Little things weren't perfect, but overall one of the best weekends for the team in a long time, operations-wise.

[PlatinumZealot]

Yeah. Max was driving with the handbrake up essentially. But from what I can tell the Ferrari platform looked extremely stable in the quick direction changes. This could explain why Carlos can hang with Charles much better now. The car is "nicer" to drive on the limits.

[scuderiabrandon]

lovely race by my future team! I wish FIA allowed three car teams to be honest. Carlos' performance today was amazing. Really doesn't deserve to be severed when it's not on a performance basis, and worse he's also proving he can legitimately be number 1.

In no way has Sainz proved he can be no.1 with Leclerc as a teammate. :/

So many people get carried away with the most extreme recency bias. lol

Anyways, great day. A shame we couldn't have seen the direct pace against Max, but hey. And also fantastic to see amazing execution. Little things weren't perfect, but overall one of the best weekends for the team in a long time, operations-wise.

That how it goes at Ferrari, if Leclerc is not beating his teammate every week most washed up driver on the grid

RH2H 2023 11-5 where both drivers finished
QH2H 2023 14-6 when both driver made it to Q2 or higher

On the other hand Sainz deserves a top seat, it will be criminal not to have a seat in a top 4 team in my opinion, with at least equeal status. If it were on recent performance alone I'd have him over Hamilton any day of the week. But I'm reasonable enough to understand that deal is bigger than just on track performance.

Winning is motivation and it's so important from a Morale point of view. Humans are emotional beings, they just work better when they are winning. Motivation & momentum goes a long way in every field of life. Already reports of Fred wanting to bring upgrades forward. The hunger is there, I love it. The championship is still long, 21 races remaining. I know we aren't favourites at this point, but the progress over the last 6-7 months as been astronomical. We need to ride this wave because inevitably it will come down again.

As for the qualifying performance, you see the importance of having track position. I still think we can make a small compromise to favour qualy trim. The lack of dirty air will likely offset the small added levels of tyre deg.

[DiogoBrand]

I like Ferrari's strategy of firing Sainz, who is their better driver, in favor of Leclerc who is inferior and probably costs more.
I dream of one day being able to understand this team's magnificent decisions.

There is zero objective evidence that Sainz is a superior driver to Leclerc, or that Leclerc is inferior. It’s purely a subjective opinion of yours that shouldn’t be mistaken as fact. You’re entitled to an opinion but your opinion is not entitled to be true.

One race weekend does not define a driver. By essentially any empirical measure, Leclerc has been the superior driver over the past 2-3+ seasons, based on qualifying, races, and net points (especially when adjusting for mechanicals, strategy decisions, etc).

And that’s to take absolutely nothing from Sainz, who is a tremendous driver in his own right.

You're right.

From all of Ferrari's decisions, picking Leclerc over Sainz is perhaps the least questionable of them all.
It's just that, even though Leclerc scored more points, Sainz makes his limitations appear more obvious: He is far more talented than Carlos, but often unable to capitalize on that.
To me the most worryng of all are his poor performances seemingly from lack of mental resilience, like constantly crashing the car on his own, often in situations of high pressure, which really makes me wonder if he is able to fight for a championship, unless given a far superior car than everyone else.

As for the decision to hire Hamilton in the first place, I can't understand that as well.
It's not like it's the drivers costing Ferrari their performances, and Hamilton may create more issues than he solves, like increased wages, as well as the fact that, as demonstrated by Hamilton vs Alonso, Hamilton vs Rosberg and Leclerc vs Vettel, both drivers aren't okay with being number 2. And I'm pretty sure that, by the time the honeymoon is over and Hamilton realizes Ferrari won't be able to bring him another title, the situation can only get worse.

[DiogoBrand]

lovely race by my future team! I wish FIA allowed three car teams to be honest. Carlos' performance today was amazing. Really doesn't deserve to be severed when it's not on a performance basis, and worse he's also proving he can legitimately be number 1.

In no way has Sainz proved he can be no.1 with Leclerc as a teammate. :/

So many people get carried away with the most extreme recency bias. lol

Anyways, great day. A shame we couldn't have seen the direct pace against Max, but hey. And also fantastic to see amazing execution. Little things weren't perfect, but overall one of the best weekends for the team in a long time, operations-wise.

That how it goes at Ferrari, if Leclerc is not beating his teammate every week most washed up driver on the grid

RH2H 2023 11-5 where both drivers finished
QH2H 2023 14-6 when both driver made it to Q2 or higher

On the other hand Sainz deserves a top seat, it will be criminal not to have a seat in a top 4 team in my opinion, with at least equeal status. If it were on recent performance alone I'd have him over Hamilton any day of the week. But I'm reasonable enough to understand that deal is bigger than just on track performance.

If Red Bull doesn't hire Sainz, then everyone on that team should be fired. It's the perfect outcome for everyone.

[scuderiabrandon]

In no way has Sainz proved he can be no.1 with Leclerc as a teammate. :/

So many people get carried away with the most extreme recency bias. lol

Anyways, great day. A shame we couldn't have seen the direct pace against Max, but hey. And also fantastic to see amazing execution. Little things weren't perfect, but overall one of the best weekends for the team in a long time, operations-wise.

That how it goes at Ferrari, if Leclerc is not beating his teammate every week most washed up driver on the grid

RH2H 2023 11-5 where both drivers finished
QH2H 2023 14-6 when both driver made it to Q2 or higher

On the other hand Sainz deserves a top seat, it will be criminal not to have a seat in a top 4 team in my opinion, with at least equeal status. If it were on recent performance alone I'd have him over Hamilton any day of the week. But I'm reasonable enough to understand that deal is bigger than just on track performance.

If Red Bull doesn't hire Sainz, then everyone on that team should be fired. It's the perfect outcome for everyone.

Wherever he goes, I wish him the best. I wish his time at Ferrari was not so overshadowed by the off-track politics, at least for me personally, because he is a geniune guy.

[Xyz22]

Next race is going to be quite interesting. First proper comparison with the SF 23 final spec.

I'm expecting RB to dominate, though.

[avantman]

If Red Bull doesn't hire Sainz, then everyone on that team should be fired. It's the perfect outcome for everyone.

I guess it's right about time to fire everyone at Scuderia Ferrari.

[SoulPancake13]

Next race is going to be quite interesting. First proper comparison with the SF 23 final spec.

I'm expecting RB to dominate, though.

Yeah, I think it will be tight between us and McLaren again for the 3rd step on the podium.