2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Cs98]

Also, since you mentioned it. Can you give me an example of Max having an incident like Australia 2023 and Imola 2022 in the last two seasons?

As for Imola-like, I'd say that Spain 2022 would have the same caliber - losing control of the car in the corner. And in just 2 years there's no Australia equivalent, but why just 2 years? Since September 2022 Max didn't really have to fight for position more than a couple of times. He mostly whizzes past with DRS. But given Max's F1 history it's really weird seeing him as an example of racing virtue, when he often has the "either give way or we crash" attitude.

I'm really tired of that "who's more incident prone" debate. When drivers have a car that they're not happy with, they are either slow or they'll push the limits and sometimes mistakes will happen.

Because that was the timeframe set by the person I was responding to. On Spain, peanuts in terms of time loss compared to Imola.

[Vanja #66]

Ferrari haters at full swing, always a good sign

[SoulPancake13]

Also, since you mentioned it. Can you give me an example of Max having an incident like Australia 2023 and Imola 2022 in the last two seasons?

As for Imola-like, I'd say that Spain 2022 would have the same caliber - losing control of the car in the corner. And in just 2 years there's no Australia equivalent, but why just 2 years? Since September 2022 Max didn't really have to fight for position more than a couple of times. He mostly whizzes past with DRS. But given Max's F1 history it's really weird seeing him as an example of racing virtue, when he often has the "either give way or we crash" attitude.

I'm really tired of that "who's more incident prone" debate. When drivers have a car that they're not happy with, they are either slow or they'll push the limits and sometimes mistakes will happen.

Because that was the timeframe set by the person I was responding to. On Spain, peanuts in terms of time loss compared to Imola.

They are very similar mistakes though, we shouldn't characterize by the result of the mistake, because that is quite honestly luck. Singapore, Spain, and Hungary 2022 all had mistakes from Max that were on the same 'level' as Charles's.

[Cs98]

As for Imola-like, I'd say that Spain 2022 would have the same caliber - losing control of the car in the corner. And in just 2 years there's no Australia equivalent, but why just 2 years? Since September 2022 Max didn't really have to fight for position more than a couple of times. He mostly whizzes past with DRS. But given Max's F1 history it's really weird seeing him as an example of racing virtue, when he often has the "either give way or we crash" attitude.

I'm really tired of that "who's more incident prone" debate. When drivers have a car that they're not happy with, they are either slow or they'll push the limits and sometimes mistakes will happen.

Because that was the timeframe set by the person I was responding to. On Spain, peanuts in terms of time loss compared to Imola.

They are very similar mistakes though, we shouldn't characterize by the result of the mistake, because that is quite honestly luck. Singapore, Spain, and Hungary 2022 all had mistakes from Max that were on the same 'level' as Charles's.

I disagree. There are degrees to losing control. And the fidget spinner sliding out of control towards a wall is at the top, see France, see Imola. But I do agree that Singapore is a better comp in terms of severity.

[Shal_Leg16]

This is generally a sort of boring thread ( sorry ) , i mean lots of guys with good technical stuff and knowledge etc regularly posting their usual stuff……..

And then comes a weekend often ones or twice in whole year where Sainz outperfoms charles and bang…..suddenly this beacons a Slogfest…Sainz is this Sainz is that he is better he is …. .

[Juzh]

leclerc's fastest lap 1.19.813. He got DRS off of backmarker, worth around half a second on those two straights. Fair to say his previous fastest lap a 1.19.9 was actually more impressive. Fastest lap was also done with a clearly faster engine mode. There was some dirty air, but not all that much, a tenth or two.

https://streamable.com/czpqge

[Vanja #66]

leclerc's fastest lap 1.19.813. He got DRS off of backmarker, worth around half a second on those two straights. Fair to say his previous fastest lap a 1.19.9 was actually more impressive. Fastest lap was also done with a clearly faster engine mode. There was some dirty air, but not all that much, a tenth or two.

https://streamable.com/czpqge

Ah, so that's why he slowed down in the lap before, to keep the backmarker in front. Seems he's done the same thing in Jeddah, though it was 2 laps before the fast one.

[Fakepivot]

so I took a look at lec fastest lap and lando fastest lap, Mclaren is faster in almost all the corner, and Ferrari gained mainly on straight due to drs. so, in the interview Lando was pretty confident they had faster pace than Leclerc and undercut cost them. I guess suzuka will be tough.

[SoulPancake13]

so I took a look at lec fastest lap and lando fastest lap, Mclaren is faster in almost all the corner, and Ferrari gained mainly on straight due to drs. so, in the interview Lando was pretty confident they had faster pace than Leclerc and undercut cost them. I guess suzuka will be tough.

Lando only gained like half a second on Charles in the final stint with much newer tyres, also stint 1 Sainz was much faster than Lando. I think in clean air Ferrari here were stronger.

I think we will see more of the same from Max in Suzuka(ironic that Max's win streaks get broken the race before Japan two years in a row btw ) but I think we can get P3 and P4. The dirty air now is such that qualy is so important, and McLaren with DRS on are still weak.

[Juzh]

leclerc's fastest lap 1.19.813. He got DRS off of backmarker, worth around half a second on those two straights. Fair to say his previous fastest lap a 1.19.9 was actually more impressive. Fastest lap was also done with a clearly faster engine mode. There was some dirty air, but not all that much, a tenth or two.

https://streamable.com/czpqge

Ah, so that's why he slowed down in the lap before, to keep the backmarker in front. Seems he's done the same thing in Jeddah, though it was 2 laps before the fast one.

I had a look, it just wasnt a very push lap and had a snap in T1, nothing premeditated about backmarkers. Probably also some harvesting going on for the next FL attempt.

[Juzh]

so I took a look at lec fastest lap and lando fastest lap, Mclaren is faster in almost all the corner, and Ferrari gained mainly on straight due to drs. so, in the interview Lando was pretty confident they had faster pace than Leclerc and undercut cost them. I guess suzuka will be tough.

If you look at leclerc's previous PB lap 1.19.925 you will see leclerc is only slower in the fast left-right and faster or equal in pretty much every other corner. This is consistent with mclaren being super fast in 250+ kmh and ferrari faster in sub 250 kmh.

[Xyz22]

so I took a look at lec fastest lap and lando fastest lap, Mclaren is faster in almost all the corner, and Ferrari gained mainly on straight due to drs. so, in the interview Lando was pretty confident they had faster pace than Leclerc and undercut cost them. I guess suzuka will be tough.

If you look at leclerc's previous PB lap 1.19.925 you will see leclerc is only slower in the fast left-right and faster or equal in pretty much every other corner. This is consistent with mclaren being super fast in 250+ kmh and ferrari faster in sub 250 kmh.
https://i.imgur.com/CliJhI5.jpeg

To be noted that Leclerc had tyres 6 laps older compared to Lando.

[Vinlarr89]

so I took a look at lec fastest lap and lando fastest lap, Mclaren is faster in almost all the corner, and Ferrari gained mainly on straight due to drs. so, in the interview Lando was pretty confident they had faster pace than Leclerc and undercut cost them. I guess suzuka will be tough.

Norris was wrong. First stint he held leclerc up. Had Charles been in front he would have pulled clear and not needed to put so early as a result which created the tyre offset later.

Second stint, hard to measure direct comparison because of the tyres offset. Landos lap times were better, however he had fresher tyres throughout the stint and leclerc didn’t cycle his correctly at the start of the stint.

Third stint. Leclerc faster throughout even with the offset. And there was probably more left in the tyres but he was saving some back for the fastest lap IMO

Japan is a different proposition. Hard to know who will be where as some development no doubt will arrive. Most corners seem to be in the Ferrari sweet spot I would say? But RB will be able to run less wing and be faster on the high speed sections I would have thought. Think tyre deg will play a big part again which may favour Ferrari for second best.

[LM10]

1-2! What a feeling.

Really good job by the whole team. Very well balanced car, right strategical calls and flawless pit stops.
As for the drivers, while Charles had a bit of a hard weekend, Sainz nailed it. Awesome comeback after his surgery.

Thrilled for Suzuka. Forza Ferrari!

[bagajohny]

Suzuka should have been back to back with Australia.