dia6olo wrote: ↑29 Mar 2024, 04:15
dialtone wrote: ↑29 Mar 2024, 03:08
Farnborough wrote: "Looking at a F1-75 that was awful on inters vs an RB18 which loved them is not fair in my opinion."
That was, at that GP part of the performance in overall finishing positions though.
And subsequently, that quality will be part of future races. My point is that the combination that weekend saw the RB MV performance easily outstrip all others consummately, none of driver preference.
For reference, my view is they are both brilliant to watch drive a car fast, but their approach in how they move the car around has considerable contrast from one to the other. That can and does yeald different performance pace across variation in circumstances.
We'll soon get another view to then judge a little more during the next race.
You think that difference in tire management of the past 2 seasons was Max?
I thought you said this is a technical forum. These are the type of evaluations that end up with people talking Max down because his fans think he’s the one carrying the car around the track while making engine noises with his mouth.
Max has never been particularly good at tire management. British press calls Checo the tire whisperer. Vettel did a one stopper in Bahrain with Ferrari to win the race in 2018, on 39 laps when tires were supposed to last 30, he’s good but that car was amazing to its tires.
Max has had a superior car, just like Leclerc didn’t magically turn into a driver that saves tires and places fast laps at the end of his races after one year but instead the SF-24 is just better.
Let’s be serious.
Exactly this!
It never ceases to amaze me how some drivers are elevated to silly levels by some while completely ignoring the car which is responsible for the vast majority of it
I feel you're both making assumptions about what I've written, then overlaying a formulaic view onto that.
To make it clear, I originally commented about those tires in image because of CL in this team thread.
I'm no "fan" of any particular driver, like watching fast one's of which CL is absolutely one of the best to watch. The start of 2022 was particularly good in that respect, in that car. I feel CL is possibly the fastest absolute current driver in championship.
Core of what I'm saying is that different drivers do have different accent and focus on just how they move a car around, and particularly when grip changes, as it did for that GP.
CL and the type of driver tbat absolutely drives the front tires with utter confidence that they'll grip, is in purest terms often the fastest driver around a circuit, given that the grip remains predictable and tires are reasonably constant.
MV on the other hand I dont feel can ultimately match that utter pure pace in those circumstances. Partly evidenced by CL Q record in bringing his car to pole. MV style is more turn and bring the chassis into a more constant yaw through fast corner, which relieves the front tire of some stress, reduces absolute corner pace a little BUT and heres one of the biggest difference, leaves more margin to cope with variation as grip diminishes with wet etc.
I'd put CL in with Kimi Räikkönen, Massa, Hakkinen etc as that type. Blistering in speed, but generally less able to cope with reduction in pure grip.
On the other hand, MV, LH and Schumacher are in a more "rally" style driver, less pure in absolute track terms and with peak slightly slower than first group, BUT in coping with a season over which all the variables play out, will often end as champion. Their pace is usually noticeably higher in difficult conditions, and with more margin this technique gives at the point of letting go, generally less likely to stuff it and take themselves out of race. Or simply forced to lower pace in avoid that scenario.
For CL specifically, and this over a season (not commentary on him as person) a car that holds a peak in excess to competitor by decent margin, to allow it's lowest point performance to remain competitive with the others, like Hakkinen championship years, is required to "contain" those compromised race performances in aggregated points score.
This plays out in this era, significantly so, as the tires are so difficult to bring and hold in a performance loop that can capture CL speed through enough of a race to use his natural pace.
The tire changes in size, weight, compound, all to support bigger heavier cars, with higher torque delivery, overlay that with reduction in tire blanket temperature peak, v-strict monitoring of in race pressure, lower rear temp capture from brake disc output to rim etc all go toward moving the tire performance away from a driver like CL and to his detriment.
The result of this we've seen in struggles of Ferrari so far, its nearly all about tire and keeping it within that very definite peak to be able to utilise CL peak speed. That's fearsomely difficult to do, as we've seen so far.
We'll get a read on that in Japan, especially if it's wet, and realitively against MV again, if we're lucky.
Notice that many recent championships have gone to the most adaptable driver, MS, LH & MV they may not have the absolute purist fastest dry race peak, but coping with shifts in grip /conditions over the whole season will often outweigh the fastest driver in the field.
This is substantially a period in which a "rally" type driving bias, my assessment of leaving just enough contingency to hang onto pace in poor track condition, seems to hold sway.
It's going to be interesting to see next year's two Ferrari drivers against each other with, I feel opposing attributes, in the same car.
Next weekend, hoping its going to be really close in performance, but if wet as predicted, I'd not be surprised of outcome.
Also we didn't get to see the true head to head of these two Ferrari against MV & RB in last race to assess exactly current status.
. But to further explore this, how do you square the Sainz circle? I wouldn't consider Sainz and Leclerc to have same driving "skill type" as you put it, but both exhibited similar tyre deg and life, even often falling in favor of Leclerc.
