Tyrrell's disqualification in 1984

[woohoo]

Hello!

I have been reading on wikipedia and a few blogs about the disqualification of Team Tyrrell in 1984.

Can someone shed some light on this ?
From what I understood Tyrrell was hung out to dry because they were the only team to have used non-turbo engines, and a infringement, which was later shown not to be valid was used as a basis to oust them from the discussions by discrediting them.

That is the basic conspiracy theory, but is there some truth to it, or was Tyrrell really massively cheating to gain an advantage over the dominant Turbo cars ?

Neither scenario seems real, but stranger things have happened...

Any details ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrell_Racing

[xpensive]

I remember this one very well, the once great Tyrrell team never recovered from this, even if they managed to soldier on for fourteen more seasons. Last couple of years more like an anachronism, a token of what F1 once was.

[pjobmathew]

Tyrrell will forever remembered for the P34.

[Miguel]

Tyrrell will forever remembered for the P34.

Sorry but, when you say Tyrrell, I think Jackie Stewart.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Tyrrell where one of the pioneering teams that shaped the sport in to what it is today. Unfortunately like others they didn't make it through to F1 as it is today, but they still made their mark in the history books.

Sorry but, when you say Tyrrell, I think Jackie Stewart.

Really? because ofcourse it was Ken Tyrrell that discovered Jackie Stewart

[Tom Castellani]

I remember reading in Martin Brundle's book that they had lead balls which they could load and unload with the wheel guns to cheat the weight regulations.

[Miguel]

Tyrrell where one of the pioneering teams that shaped the sport in to what it is today. Unfortunately like others they didn't make it through to F1 as it is today, but they still made their mark in the history books.

Sorry but, when you say Tyrrell, I think Jackie Stewart.

Really? because ofcourse it was Ken Tyrrell that discovered Jackie Stewart

Yes. No matter who "discovered" who, or whether a car had 6 wheels, I have a very deep subconscious association of Tyrrell with Jackie Stewart flying on a blue car with a huge airbox and a monster "front wing". I mean, I could see Scarlett Johanson with a Tyrrell Tatoo where the sun doesn't shine, but even then I would only think about Jackie Stewart. Well, this may be a gross exaggeration, but you get the idea.

[pjobmathew]

* Quote Miguel

Tyrrell will forever remembered for the P34.

Sorry but, when you say Tyrrell, I think Jackie Stewart.

Well that depends on what you look at , personally i feel attached to only three drivers - Jim Clark , Keke Rosberg and Ayrton Senna

I think the car is special in F1 history because three other teams 'tested' six wheelers.

Ferrari 312T6

Williams-FW08C

March 240
rear view




Anyway there is a good site about the P34 , those interested may pay a visit - http://www.project34.co.uk/

[pjobmathew]

Some nice pic of the March 240

[Sombrero]

This is from Autocourse:
"In the afterglow of 1984's chase-the-McLaren story, the FISA-versus-Tyrrell affair still rankles as being as distasteful
as it was ill-considered. Whether or not Tyrrell was plying his 012 cars with lead ballast during a late-race pit stop or - and
this is more far-fetched - mixing additive to the water injected into the engine to ward off piston and valvegear failures has
become a moot case. What is more relevant is not only the way that FISA conducted his trial - for example, introducing fresh
evidence at an appeal hearing and barring Tyrrell from approaching expert witnesses who had analysed water samples for
FISA - but also the severity of the fine. If Andrea de Cesaris and Niki Lauda have their practice times discounted on the days
at Dijon and Dallas where the Ligier was found to be running with an empty fire extinguisher bottle and the McLaren declared to have a rear wing 2mm too wide, then excluding Tyrrell from the World Championship for infringements committed during Martin Brundle's gutsy drive to second in Detroit ranks as a kneejerk reaction of an inappropriate magnitude.

But the decision was final, costing Tyrrell his FOCA membership and USD 1,000,000 in concessionary travel arrangements to
transcontinental races. Underlying the season had been the backstage arguments over the proposed 195-litre fuel capacity
maximum intended for 1985: to stick at the current 220-litre allowance required team unanimity - and Ken Tyrrell was the only
dissenting voice. Naturally, after he was barred from the Championship, so 220 litres became a fixed part of the '85
technical regulations, neatly, tidily and with no outward fuss."

It may be a little late but I found this today looking for something else...

http://counter-x.net/f1/1984/review/tyrrell/index.html

[strad]

Well now..You know they were not cheating,,,they were just being creative. Ask Cam.

[Cam]

Interpretive dance is different from cheating. Cheating is cheating. Understanding there is a difference is exactly why people dispute the rules - some win, some lose. Welcome to F1 and the 254 shades of grey.

Some nice reading on the subject - enjoy:

http://8w.forix.com/bellof.html

Edit: typos

[strad]

To have holes and have the FIA say no to your holes only for you to cut a slit to the edge with a hack saw and say..see not a hole is just as much cheating.

[Cam]

This isn't the thread to discuss the grey area, but a hole is a hole and a hole with a cut, isn't a hole, it's a slit - just like Ferrari are using right now, completely legal, not cheating.

No breach, no penalty.

Edit - like this:

Here is the 4th slit on the floor:

[strad]

In that photo you can't even see the slits...you musta loved Clinton

BTW Tyrrell was cheating