2008 proposed FIA regulations

[Reca]

Enzo is already turning in his grave for years since his cars are painted in corporate Marlboro red instead of Ferrari red.

More likely Enzo does turn in his grave every time people say that Ferrari colour is red.
The Enzo’s favourite colour is on all the Ferrari race and road cars, as background of the Baracca’s Cavallino Rampante, it never changed and never will.

[manchild]

Enzo is already turning in his grave for years since his cars are painted in corporate Marlboro red instead of Ferrari red.

More likely Enzo does turn in his grave every time people say that Ferrari colour is red.
The Enzo’s favourite colour is on all the Ferrari race and road cars, as background of the Baracca’s Cavallino Rampante, it never changed and never will.

If you meant it metaphorically/symbolically that I understand it but technically Ferrari F1 color is now corporate Marlboro red.

Ferrari F1 cars ARE NOT painted in “Ferrari red” but in “Marlboro red” for almost a decade. That is what new management has done since they took over.

[sknguy]

What stikes me most is that the FIA proposes to limit testing. This is dangerous. Limited testing is counterintuitive to making safer cars. Anyway... this point is not good.

Again, concerning safety, I didn't notice any proposal to allow changing tires in pit stops. I hope that the new rules include changing tires. Using a single tire for qual and race is dangerous, and has proven so. Of all a car's components nothing impacts safety more than tire selection. Every time the rules governing tires are changed misfortune strikes, USGP'05, Brazil'95?(I think that was the year BrazillianGP was cancelled due to a lack of tire type choice), and all the problems Bridgestone has had earlier in '05.

Regarding data acquisition, I don't like the inability to acquire data... this can cause a safety issue too. The lack of telemetry could mean more chance of errors in reporting and identifying problems.

The gear changing is a good idea, provided the cars are slowed down. If the cars become as quick as they are now, manual gear changing is not a good idea, again... unsafe.

I don't like the way people claim that F1 technology has made for a car that almost "drives itself". Because people forget about the speeds at which these cars are driving. When you ramp up the speeds, like what F1 cars are travelling, it introduces the need for a new skill-set.

The only concern with using spec parts and single manufacturers is that it could cost the series and teams in the way of advertising and sponsorship. Which brings me to the concern that if you limit the R&D and testing how can the sport achieve the stature of being at the pinnacle.

Other than that the rest of the proposed changes sound interesting. I didn't want to see the drivers wearing g suits anyway.

[jaslfc]

there was an interesting comment on itv by brundle.. about how the cars are affected by the dirty air and the fia should change the designs of the car and focus on the air under the cars rather than over the wings... can some one explain to me this concept and why isnt the fia moving in this direction

[Spencifer_Murphy]

The idea is that the majority of downforce generated by the car is produced by Ground Effect....Now before you tell me ground effect is illegal its not...what is illegal is to have a curved under floor on the car which therefore exploits this phenomenon.

The bargeboards on F1 cars are designed to control airflow around and UNDERNEATH the car, the "axes" on the toyota (and others) that replace these are also there to control airflow to the underside of the car. This is because the Majority of the car's downforce is generated by the underfloor and the diffuser.

What Martin Brundle was suggesting was that if the FIA what to slow the cars down, dont remove all the winglets on the sidepods (they don't actually generate LOTS of downforce compared to the wings) and insted they should control speeds by creating laws that effect how efficient the underfloor is at generating downforce. e.g. Raising the ride hight of the cars.

I dont know why the FIA aren't moving in this direction, I can only assume it's because when creating new rules they do not consult any team personel...if they did this you would get some really useful rule changes. (F1 Racings latest edition has some great ideas).

Hope that helps answer your question.

[ReubenG]

I'm not sure whether this has been suggested else where - rather than forcing teams to have a stock (read highly limited) ECU, why not make all of the telemetry from all of the teams during the race open to everyone? Then teams who struggled during a race will be able to have some insight into why other teams did better. This should provide a check against any team getting way out in front (i.e Ferrari 2002, 2004) while everyone else wonders what's going on. Engineers at smaller teams with limited testing facilities and budgets will have access to useful data. This should also make it easier for new teams to enter F1 as the amount of testing they will have to prior to be competing will be reduced (or at least made more effective).

I know it's a bit of a pipe dream, but can you imagine being able to get streamed live telemetry from all of the cars during the race?

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Live telemetry would be pretty cool...although the TV companies would have a hard time "Translating" what the telemetry traces mean to your average viewer!

[Reca]

The less I say about these proposed rules the better, the only proposals I agree with are the car width back to 2 m, the weight reduction and, even if I’m against the standardizations, tyre is the exception, so I agree with the single tyre supplier.
Here a little comparison I made between 2005 tyres and the proposed 2008 tyres :

Ferrari F1 cars ARE NOT painted in “Ferrari red” but in “Marlboro red” for almost a decade. That is what new management has done since they took over.

I know that the colour used in the last few years is the “Marlboro Red” and Ferrari certainly don’t hide that fact since they publicized quite a lot that the same red is used on the F360 Challenge Stradale.
What I don’t agree with you is that you are making big deal and insinuating that the “new” management did break a sacred tradition offending Enzo’s memory and insisting about that “Ferrari red”.
In fact, technically, F1 Ferrari cars weren’t “Ferrari Red” they were just red. Technically, the real Ferrari colour should be yellow, Ferrari race car are red just because several years ago it was decided that red had to be the colour of Italy (and Switzerland) in races but to tell the truth Ferrari rarely used the real Italian “Rosso Corsa” that is pretty dark and quite close to the red of Alfa in WTCC; the red used by Ferrari in F1 also did change a few times, even when Enzo was alive. Obviously in the years the Ferrari cars entered by non Italian teams weren’t red and when Enzo was in the middle of a “fight” with the Italian automobile club, the Scuderia also raced non red cars.
Actually, also the Marlboro Red used on cars did change in the last years, the first few years, 99 or 2000, the car, live, was basically orange, just to look right on tv (in the same years the Jordan was phosphorescent yellow for the same reason), now even live the red is close to the colour seen on tv, that is pretty similar to the colour used by Ferrari in F1 in 70s.
Anyway the real point is that only symbol Enzo did really care about was the Baracca’s Cavallino Rampante with the Modena’s Yellow as background.

[manchild]

What seamed to be mainly caused by Indy conflict now shows much deeper roots. It looks like that main reason for 9 teams oppose Mosley is in regulations proposed by FIA for 2008.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=25139