2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Timtim99]

Can Ferrari fight for a win this weekend do you think guys?

I'm 99.9% certain it's completely out of reach. Track has been worked on a lot, most of the bumps have been ground down (at least this is reported) and it's gonna be a cool weekend overall. All of that works to Red Bulls strengths.

Ferrari for pole but second and third is my prediction on Sunday

[Cs98]

Seems the Teams are quite surprised by the paint applied to the track.
I wonder if that will have a significant impact on performance compared to the simulations run before the WE.

This has nothing to do with Merc so moving it.
I spot 4 race winning cars in there, 5 pole sitting cars, a couple of contendors, and that's before we get to the fact you omitted the SF70H which Binotto oversaw as TD. I don't know what the obsession is with denigrating ex-employees unfairly, just creates a toxic environment.

We are talking about Ferrari, therefore the expectations are much higher. Moreover, for the 2022 season Ferrari also had a massive advantage in terms of budget and wind tunnel hours compared to RB.

The reality is that under Binotto Ferrari cars finished P1 14 times in 6 season. To me, that is an absolutely awful result.

It's 19 wins in 7 seasons, 2017-2023. Far from an awful tally, certainly not deserving of your ridiculous "worst ever" designation. The previous 7 seasons, 2010-2016, Ferrari only scored 14 wins.

Moreover, for the 2022 season Ferrari also had a massive advantage in terms of budget and wind tunnel hours compared to RB.

What is this nonsense? Budget advantage?

[venkyhere]

The layout of this chineseGP looks very technical and full of slow corner high traction exits. A track where driver skill can dominate and skill differences between team mates can get amplified. If LeClerc loses to Sainz in this track, without any weather/reliability/crash events being responsible for it ; mentally he will take a severe beating and get disillusioned beyond recovery for the rest of this 2024 season. I still believe LeClerc is one level above Sainz in terms of car control.

[Seanspeed]

SF90 wasn't a bad car when taking the engine into account, but the chassis was pretty bad. Slow-speed corner deficit was simply obscene.
I always have flashbacks to this comparison when people talk about the SF90. Look at the third sector


With the power advantage Ferrari enjoyed in 2019, any remotely competent chassis should've at least been in the championship fight. Given that power advantage was achieved through dodgy means, it paints a pretty grim picture.

You dont get a number of pole positions and three race wins with a 'pretty bad' chassis. Come on now. smh

Y'all are acting like Ferrari had like 100hp over the rest of the field or some nonsense. Chassis had weaknesses, but it wasn't awful. Also, you cant just ignore the engine, which also falls under the TD's responsibilities.

[Seanspeed]

The layout of this chineseGP looks very technical and full of slow corner high traction exits. A track where driver skill can dominate and skill differences between team mates can get amplified. If LeClerc loses to Sainz in this track, without any weather/reliability/crash events being responsible for it ; mentally he will take a severe beating and get disillusioned beyond recovery for the rest of this 2024 season.

This is just such a wild, reaching claim. lol

It's such a long season. Nothing is getting completely decided by the mere 5th race weekend.

[AR3-GP]

It's such a long season. Nothing is getting completely decided by the mere 5th race weekend.

Some people think the championships for the next 2 years have been decided already based on the first race weekend of 2023.

[Xyz22]

Seems the Teams are quite surprised by the paint applied to the track.
I wonder if that will have a significant impact on performance compared to the simulations run before the WE.

This has nothing to do with Merc so moving it.
I spot 4 race winning cars in there, 5 pole sitting cars, a couple of contendors, and that's before we get to the fact you omitted the SF70H which Binotto oversaw as TD. I don't know what the obsession is with denigrating ex-employees unfairly, just creates a toxic environment.

We are talking about Ferrari, therefore the expectations are much higher. Moreover, for the 2022 season Ferrari also had a massive advantage in terms of budget and wind tunnel hours compared to RB.

The reality is that under Binotto Ferrari cars finished P1 14 times in 6 season. To me, that is an absolutely awful result.

It's 19 wins in 7 seasons, 2017-2023. Far from an awful tally, certainly not deserving of your ridiculous "worst ever" designation. The previous 7 seasons, 2010-2016, Ferrari only scored 14 wins.

Moreover, for the 2022 season Ferrari also had a massive advantage in terms of budget and wind tunnel hours compared to RB.

What is this nonsense? Budget advantage?

What? Ferrari didn't bring any upgrades to the SF 21 outside a modified floor spec after a few races. Red Bull developed the RB16b quite a bit through the year, which had clearly an impact on their overall budget and wind tunnel hours for the 2022 project.

Ferrari had an implied advantage, and in fact they were ahead at the start of the season. As usual, the total incompetence of the TP and other key people within the organization allowed RB to win the majority of races (Monaco, Hungary lmao) and also the FIA to modify rules during the season, losing performance showing once again a massive weakness in terms of political power.

But it doesn't stop here. They didn't realize the F1 75 concept didn't have any chances after the changes and designed the legendary SF 23, a SF 90 regen without the illegal engine.

On the other hand, Adrian Newey realized immediately that the changes to reduce porpoising would have hurt Ferrari in high speed corners and pushed internally to support them.

[Cs98]

Seems the Teams are quite surprised by the paint applied to the track.
I wonder if that will have a significant impact on performance compared to the simulations run before the WE.



We are talking about Ferrari, therefore the expectations are much higher. Moreover, for the 2022 season Ferrari also had a massive advantage in terms of budget and wind tunnel hours compared to RB.

The reality is that under Binotto Ferrari cars finished P1 14 times in 6 season. To me, that is an absolutely awful result.

It's 19 wins in 7 seasons, 2017-2023. Far from an awful tally, certainly not deserving of your ridiculous "worst ever" designation. The previous 7 seasons, 2010-2016, Ferrari only scored 14 wins.

Moreover, for the 2022 season Ferrari also had a massive advantage in terms of budget and wind tunnel hours compared to RB.

What is this nonsense? Budget advantage?

What? Ferrari didn't bring any upgrades to the SF 21 outside a modified floor spec after a few races. Red Bull developed the RB16b quite a bit through the year, which had clearly an impact on their overall budget and wind tunnel hours for the 2022 project.

Well, Merc switched pretty early and Ferrari was much better than them, so are they even worse than the "worst ever"? Odd that.

[LM10]

What? Ferrari didn't bring any upgrades to the SF 21 outside a modified floor spec after a few races. Red Bull developed the RB16b quite a bit through the year, which had clearly an impact on their overall budget and wind tunnel hours for the 2022 project.

RedBull breached the budget cap. What budget advantage for Ferrari are you talking about?

Also, the F1-75 was the best car in terms of pure pace with big development potential until TD039 came. Then everything went backwards.

[venkyhere]

The layout of this chineseGP looks very technical and full of slow corner high traction exits. A track where driver skill can dominate and skill differences between team mates can get amplified. If LeClerc loses to Sainz in this track, without any weather/reliability/crash events being responsible for it ; mentally he will take a severe beating and get disillusioned beyond recovery for the rest of this 2024 season.I still believe LeClerc is one level above Sainz in terms of car control.

This is just such a wild, reaching claim. lol

It's such a long season. Nothing is getting completely decided by the mere 5th race weekend.

It's psychology. A prediction I am making. The nature of the track places a lot of onus on the driver, compared to a lot of other tracks. And all the teams and drivers know it. Let's revisit (I hope leClerc outguns his team mate this weekend) this point at the end of this season.

Some people think the championships for the next 2 years have been decided already based on the first race weekend of 2023.

Does George Russel in 2023 Bahrain count as 'some people' ?

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Can Ferrari fight for a win this weekend do you think guys?

I'm 99.9% certain it's completely out of reach. Track has been worked on a lot, most of the bumps have been ground down (at least this is reported) and it's gonna be a cool weekend overall. All of that works to Red Bulls strengths.

Sunday may be a different story, but I think Ferrari should take the pole tomorrow and win the sprint race.

There hasn't been a single weekend this year where Red Bull looked good from day one, and I see no reason why this should change now, on a "new" track with limited practice time.

[LM10]

Can Ferrari fight for a win this weekend do you think guys?

I'm 99.9% certain it's completely out of reach. Track has been worked on a lot, most of the bumps have been ground down (at least this is reported) and it's gonna be a cool weekend overall. All of that works to Red Bulls strengths.

Sunday may be a different story, but I think Ferrari should take the pole tomorrow and win the sprint race.

There hasn't been a single weekend this year where Red Bull looked good from day one, and I see no reason why this should change now, on a "new" track with limited practice time.

If Ferrari takes pole they’ll be favorites for the race win as well. This year the things are the other way around: Ferrari’s race pace is superior to their qualifying pace (as things stand).

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I'm 99.9% certain it's completely out of reach. Track has been worked on a lot, most of the bumps have been ground down (at least this is reported) and it's gonna be a cool weekend overall. All of that works to Red Bulls strengths.

Sunday may be a different story, but I think Ferrari should take the pole tomorrow and win the sprint race.

There hasn't been a single weekend this year where Red Bull looked good from day one, and I see no reason why this should change now, on a "new" track with limited practice time.

If Ferrari takes pole they’ll be favorites for the race win as well. This year the things are the other way around: Ferrari’s race pace is superior to their qualifying pace (as things stand).

the qualifying sessions are the other way around as well this year, though .

So tomorrow is the sprint qualifying. After the sprint, the teams can make adjustments again for normal quali.

edit: so what I meant to say is, that I see I good chance for Ferrari to have an advantage at the start, but Red Bull to step up with more knowledge of the track/car after the sprint.

[Vanja #66]

Sunday may be a different story, but I think Ferrari should take the pole tomorrow and win the sprint race.

There hasn't been a single weekend this year where Red Bull looked good from day one, and I see no reason why this should change now, on a "new" track with limited practice time.

Sprint win is not really a true win, just ask McLaren With different parc ferme for Q and R, Red Bull will be fully on top of their setup. They won't make another mistake like Australia, they just don't do that

[CouncilorIrissa]

SF90 wasn't a bad car when taking the engine into account, but the chassis was pretty bad. Slow-speed corner deficit was simply obscene.
I always have flashbacks to this comparison when people talk about the SF90. Look at the third sector


With the power advantage Ferrari enjoyed in 2019, any remotely competent chassis should've at least been in the championship fight. Given that power advantage was achieved through dodgy means, it paints a pretty grim picture.

You dont get a number of pole positions and three race wins with a 'pretty bad' chassis. Come on now. smh

Y'all are acting like Ferrari had like 100hp over the rest of the field or some nonsense. Chassis had weaknesses, but it wasn't awful. Also, you cant just ignore the engine, which also falls under the TD's responsibilities.

You can if it's achieved through illegal means. And if it was a legitimate grey area, then it's on Binotto again for not getting his way the FIA.

And two out of three wins came from circuits that reward engine power disproportionately. Post-Singapore the chassis had finally became somewhat competent, but race pace still remained a weakness that was never rectified under Binotto.

I'm not saying that I hate the guy, but his work, both as TP as well as TD was meh at best.

He did a good job with the 2022 PU though, credit where credit is due.