2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Farnborough]

How is it possible that Newey doesn't miss a car, he has won everywhere he has been (Williams, McLaren and now Redbull). It's not just a wind tunnel problem, many also underestimate CFD. In any case, with the new gallery you don't magically solve problems, the Mercedes gallery is already very sophisticated and the comfort stuff matters up to a certain point.

Newey had his share overambitious failures too in the past

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4-18

That's often a view given ..... if anyone has spent much time in significant R&D environment, then they're often littered with example and stories that point out why it failed.

The raw facts are, though, people like AN along with other notable F1 designers too, have much more successful outcome than many other's efforts.

Understanding why something fails really does illuminate a different direction in many cases, its an important development tool when used and interpreted correctly.

[xReVo]

How is it possible that Newey doesn't miss a car, he has won everywhere he has been (Williams, McLaren and now Redbull). It's not just a wind tunnel problem, many also underestimate CFD. In any case, with the new gallery you don't magically solve problems, the Mercedes gallery is already very sophisticated and the comfort stuff matters up to a certain point.

Newey had his share overambitious failures too in the past

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4-18

"problem was related to the shape of the frame and the front of the bank which overloaded the vortex that forms from a delta wing just in front of the bank, making the vortex unstable and bursting under certain conditions. The problem could be alleviated by cutting the wing , but this causes a loss of downforce." To solve the problem, Newey required a redesign of the chassis, an almost insurmountable task in the middle of a season." Regarding that car, he knew the problems and in fact corrected them. As for Redbull, it was still too small a structure and new to win immediately, but it took relatively little (4 years), Aston Martin is now in its 4th year and we can see the victory through binoculars. Let's hope so

[diffuser]

Agree, RBR has one of the oldest wind tunnels and nonetheless they build by far the best cars...

As Fallows said, an own wind tunnels gives you time and freedom for experiments and tests you want to do at a certain time (currently they can only go into the Merc tunnel at weekends). But overall the engineers are responsible to read the data they got from the wind tunnel. They are also the ones who have to set up the new wind tunnel in Silverstone that it works correctly...

But I don't think they have a wind tunnel problem, they have a strong 1-lap-car. They have to sort out their problems in race pace. Let's wait for Imola.

I didn't mean the problem is with the wind tunnel technologie. The Redbull wind tunnel older but everything works like as should. The Mercedes wind tunnel maybe have better technologie ,but more problematic . I hope not this the case, but a bit strange that last year Mercedes and Aston also had the same problem with correlation.

Pretty sure I've mentioned this before but the differences is that AMR has had to make major changes to the car every year since the new regs. I consider the changes to the sidepods major in comparison to what RBR racing has done, which I consider to be more of a evolution. When making such large changes it's easier to get thing off a little bit. They seem to have gone back in the direction of the original car, which possibly didn't work cause the drivers of the time didn't have the talent or weren't invested.

[diffuser]

How is it possible that Newey doesn't miss a car, he has won everywhere he has been (Williams, McLaren and now Redbull). It's not just a wind tunnel problem, many also underestimate CFD. In any case, with the new gallery you don't magically solve problems, the Mercedes gallery is already very sophisticated and the comfort stuff matters up to a certain point.

Newey had his share overambitious failures too in the past

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4-18

"problem was related to the shape of the frame and the front of the bank which overloaded the vortex that forms from a delta wing just in front of the bank, making the vortex unstable and bursting under certain conditions. The problem could be alleviated by cutting the wing , but this causes a loss of downforce." To solve the problem, Newey required a redesign of the chassis, an almost insurmountable task in the middle of a season." Regarding that car, he knew the problems and in fact corrected them. As for Redbull, it was still too small a structure and new to win immediately, but it took relatively little (4 years), Aston Martin is now in its 4th year and we can see the victory through binoculars. Let's hope so

Dan Fallows started in the early 2022 and his designs didn't make it in until after that. He was the first of Many. So really, it's barely 2 years. More like a year and a half.

[vas_04614]

Car had lot of deg in Bahrain and china, both having more of low speed corners.

Looking at Miami track, looks similar again to china and Bahrain, so am expecting similar difficulties in race.

[-wkst-]

Similar in terms of track, yes, but Miami was a clear one-stopper last year C3-C2. It's not as demanding to the tyres.

[SSJ4]

Would running with a with high downforce rear wing not help with tyre deg and low speed corners?

The car seems pretty good with drag compared to last year to try it.

[Hoffman900]

How much deg is in the car and how much of it is just by virtue of being in the middle / middle front of the pack and never fully getting clean air? There is a feedback loop present with cars that are always around other cars.

[Nikosar]

We can see that the closest tracks to Miami are Bahrain and Shanghai.

Suzuka, Jeddah and Australia are much further.

The question to ask is : is there any track where the AMR24 is or can be strong ?

Dan Fallows indicated at the AMR24 presentation that the end of 2023 season was testing and compared to the AMR23 the AMR24 will be stronger in any type of circuit. 5 races later the result proved him wrong and we are 9th and 10th as Alonso keep saying.

In Miami with McLaren and Merc are bringing their first big upgrades, Aston will be in no man's land.

[SSJ4]

I mean on a technicality it is quicker. Unfortunately it’s only over 1 lap pace

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[Rikrikrik]

I mean on a technicality it is quicker. Unfortunately it’s only over 1 lap pace

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Unfortunetly. If is real, is certanly will come to Ferrari and not AM.

[-wkst-]

Would running with a with high downforce rear wing not help with tyre deg and low speed corners?

The car seems pretty good with drag compared to last year to try it.

The last sector for example has basically just 1 slow corner where the DRS is not open (2 zones), whole sector flat out until first corner. Out of turn 8 there is another long (DRS) straight.

No chance for a bigger rear wing, last year they drove the Baku FW+RW configuration.

@Newey

Schmidt doesn't say Ferrari himself. He just writes "that experts say it's Ferrari".

[Rikrikrik]

We can see that the closest tracks to Miami are Bahrain and Shanghai.

Suzuka, Jeddah and Australia are much further.

The question to ask is : is there any track where the AMR24 is or can be strong ?

Dan Fallows indicated at the AMR24 presentation that the end of 2023 season was testing and compared to the AMR23 the AMR24 will be stronger in any type of circuit. 5 races later the result proved him wrong and we are 9th and 10th as Alonso keep saying.

In Miami with McLaren and Merc are bringing their first big upgrades, Aston will be in no man's land.

AMR24 is much faster than AMR23, but needs improvements, more than AMR23. Its opposite side comparing to last year, so, all people wait to see a better AMR24 in middle/last part of the season. AMR24 looks better to drive, understandable than AMR23, but, how Alondo already said " this car is not weak in a specifc area, we just need more downforce in general, its good, because u didnt wrong any numbers, just need more". AMR23 was too weak on the straights. BUT, i dont now, unfortunetly, i dont trust AM so much after last year, and i dont have so much hop about the AMR24 evolutions (just because last year they was complete lost, but, maybe this doesnt matter this year)

[CaribouBread]

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Unfortunetly. If is real, is certanly will come to Ferrari and not AM.

I don't think it's as clear cut, Ferrari has the prestige, Hamilton and the pocketbook - Lawrence can match the pay, has Alonso, they've poached people who know how RB works/have worked with Newey and most importantly they're based in the UK. Location is a great bargaining chip Aston can make use of against Ferrari. The chances are slim sure but its there.

[Hoffman900]

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Unfortunetly. If is real, is certanly will come to Ferrari and not AM.

I don't think it's as clear cut, Ferrari has the prestige, Hamilton and the pocketbook - Lawrence can match the pay, has Alonso, they've poached people who know how RB works/have worked with Newey and most importantly they're based in the UK. Location is a great bargaining chip Aston can make use of against Ferrari. The chances are slim sure but its there.

I can’t see Newey wanting to step into Aston’s driver’s situation, however.